So many posts from me, but I just have to show this off here as well! xD My first ever RT Store shirt, and of course it's RvB related. xD
I know, I'm so good at posing... Also my hair just has a life of its own. xD
1 week agoPatrickEng
Since season 15 of RvB came to a close, I've wanted to commemorate in some way. RvB was my introduction to everything Rooster Teeth, and will always remind me how I found the company that I have since dreamt of working for. So, after watching season 15 multiple times, I was able to gather some random tid-bits that I threw into a little statistical infographic. While it's not a master piece, I did enjoy making it and hope to get better in the future!
1 month agokeishahanes
Does anyone know if RoosterTeeth is planning on making a 16th season of RVB?? I hope they do! It can't just end like this! I have so many questions! Do Wash and Carolina get together? Does the team ever return home to Blood Gulch? Do they ever make a home somewhere else? What about Wash, will he recover and be able to talk or will he be like another Maine? Do Jensen and Palomo get together? Do they ever find the original Church/Alpha AI?
What happened to all the kids Tucker sired?! Answer me!!!!!
3 months agonewtypejp NewtypeJP
well just a tiny bit. Was introduced to RvB when people were still Lan partying Xboxs and playing on bulky ass TVs. in multiplayer games my character was caboose.. my best friends character was church. lmao such a long time ago. anyways thats when i first learned of rooster teeth..
fast forward to about 2015. for some reason i stopped watching rvb for years up until 2015. i binged watched every rvb episode up until that point & i discovered something else. a huge amount of other content RT had come up with. I mean mind blown Rwby,Immersions,RTAA,Podcasts,AH,FH.. geez i was so entranced by it all. I had so much entertainment. Since then i have be a heavy RT fan. one day i hope to get the chance to go to RTX. & if i had to pick my favorite RT person is Gus... I just feel so relatable to him, haha as little of physical human interaction as possible. just leave me alone haha. anyways cheers !
3 months agoBraeDelaney Masters of Comedy
This is my first post on roosterteeth.com. Here's a little bit about me. I like making and watching YouTube videos and I have a channel called Masters of Comedy. I recently created a series called Mimicry, a Halo machinima, inspired by Red vs. Blue. I also went to Vidcon recently, because my channel had grown and I wanted to meet some of my favorite creators. I went to a Markiplier panel but was unable to meet him so I was a little upset. However, the next day I went to a Rooster Teeth panel with Burnie and he was answering questions and stuff so I raised my hand to ask one. At this time Geoff and Ashley have come out of the back and into the panel booth. I asked how they came up with the names for the characters of Red vs. Blue because I was a big fan. Burnie then asked how old I was. I said 12. He asked my name as well, but you guys know my name. He then said "So Red vs. Blue is older than you." It was funny to me because I have actually thought of that before. They also asked how I found RvB and then answered my question. Long story short I got to meet them! It was really cool because they asked only me to come backstage and it felt very special. They also gave me this big coin with the Rooster Teeth logo on it. But anyways that's a little bit about me and how I went deeper in the Rooster Teeth community!
4 months agoMikhalaStarr
Hi people! So I am excited to say that along with learning Maya I have decided to create a Halo 4 Recon/EVA Cosplay. I am making the Recon helmet now and am making good progress with Pepakura. I may change the EVA but I'm not sure what armor Carolina in the newer seasons has because I know it's not all Recon armor but if I find out I might do a full Carolina Cosplay, not sure yet though just a quick update. Also, while I can't go happy RTX 2017 everyone!
5 months agoAgentWashingtub008 Crackpot of Coffee
Here's a helpful thing that is a part of yet another project of mine (it helps with Rec0very, but is meant for something else). It is not spoilery if you've seen up to episode 10 of season 15 except for one entry at the bottom:
Director Leonard Church- Director, Deceased: Suicide
Counselor Aiden Price- Psychological Management. Deceased: Shipwreck
Four-Seven-Niner- Officially she was head of Recovery Command Dispatch, it is likely she was assumed into the greater UNSC Simulation Program like most other PFL Assets.
F.I.L.S.S.- Administrative Security Routine AI Copied twice from the MoI, the original version is unaccounted for. The Offsite Storage Facility copy was deleted by the Director and the Sheila copy was last seen in season 10 still in the broken Pelican on Valhalacagigit.
V.I.C.- Alive: Just barely functioning and accompanying Dylan in her armor. Looking to be deleted.
--Known Agents (34*/~50)—
Texas- Deceased in the EMP (Epsilon Tex was eventually laid to rest/re-integrated to Epsilon as memories)
Carolina- With the Reds and Blues
Washington- With the Reds and Blues
Maine- Deceased: Asphyxiation by water
New York- Deceased: Mortal wounding and explosion
Wyoming- Deceased: Fatal Stabbing by Tucker (All time clones were later accounted for by some combination of the Reds and Blues)
North Dakota- Deceased: Mortal wounding by Maine (Likely exploded)
South Dakota- Deceased: Mortal wounding by Washington, then several measures were taken to ensure her body no longer functioned.
Connecticut- Deceased: Mortal wounding by Texas
Florida- Deceased: Unknown Shooter (Death was never directly confirmed but likely)
Georgia- MIA Presumed KIA: Lost due to an accident involving a jetpack in space.
Utah- Unknown: Severe injury by a malfunctioning Bubble Shield early in testing may have removed him from the program or active duty.
Iowa- Unknown: Last seen on an unknown snow base in Project Freelancer’s Simulation System in combat with Charon operatives.
Ohio- Unknown: Last seen on an unknown snow base in Project Freelancer’s Simulation System in combat with Charon operatives.
Idaho- Unknown: Last seen on an unknown snow base in Project Freelancer’s Simulation System in combat with Charon operatives.
Alabama- Deceased: Undisclosed accident with a flaming mongoose (Book footnote)
Delaware- Deceased: Blew herself up while breaching the outer wall of Highground
Hawaii- Unknown: Alive at the beginning of the Blood Gulch Simulation and active.
California- Unknown: Alive at the beginning of the Blood Gulch Simulation and active.
Kansas- Unknown: Alive at the beginning of the Blood Gulch Simulation and active.
Montana- Unknown: Alive at the beginning of the Blood Gulch Simulation and active.
Oregon- Unknown: Alive at the beginning of the Blood Gulch Simulation and active.
Unknown Agent- Unknown: User of the Adaptive Cammo unit gained by the Meta, likely deceased (Carolina still has hers and all he took from her was Eta and Iota).
Illinois- Deceased: Put into Armor Lock by Temple in his trophy room.
Arizona- Deceased: Put into Armor Lock by Temple in his trophy room.
Maryland- Deceased: Put into Armor Lock by Temple in his trophy room.
Alaska- Deceased: Put into Armor Lock by Temple in his trophy room.
7 Unnamed Agents- Deceased: Put into Armor Lock by Temple in his trophy room.
*There is an unknown additional number of other Agents killed by the Meta connected to its frantic search for AI/equipment and various armor upgrades between the Break-in and the EMP
Alpha- Deceased: EMP (A slight possibility he's still alive, but not much of one)
Beta (Agent Texas)- Deceased: EMP
Delta- Deceased: EMP
Gamma- Deceased: EMP
Omega- Deceased: EMP
Sigma- Deceased: EMP
Eta- Deceased: EMP
Iota- Deceased: EMP
Theta- Deceased: EMP
Epsilon- Deceased Personality: Disentangled self/memories from programming to allow his other active remembered personalities to run at their full potential.
ETex- Deceased: “Forgotten”
EDelta- MIA: Unresponsive after disentanglement.
EGamma- MIA: Unresponsive after disentanglement.
EOmega- MIA: Unresponsive after disentanglement.
ESigma- MIA: Unresponsive after disentanglement.
EEta- MIA: Unresponsive after disentanglement.
EIota- MIA: Unresponsive after disentanglement.
ETheta- MIA: Unresponsive after disentanglement.
DumbDelta- A routine copy of Delta sent with all of Epsilon’s files to the UNSC meant to help sort the information. Currently functioning but inconsequential.
*There are also a number of undisclosed “bad fragments” and Yellow Church could possibly be a late fragment from the Alpha.
Not so much a list, but there are several other PFL Personnel who were not simulation troopers. These include Security Project Freelancer Troops (White ODST) The Recovery Force (Steel ODST) (There is no known number of Recovery Force personnel, but recovery 6 and 9 are confirmed deceased.) and then “Command Opperatives” (Black MOLJNIR) which include Lemons and Lt. Lieu who served as trainers and facilitators of the simulations.
A final but unranked PFL operative is Pvt. Jimmy who is deceased. His position in the program is debatable but he likely was just a Security Trooper or even a construction worker who eventually volunteered for his final role in the project.
The UNSC “official” timeline indicates 50 operatives who attempted to become Agents at first but that number (like the timeline) is mutable and possibly corrupted/doctored by PFL by the time it made its way to them post Season 13.
5 months agoHyradsen856
hmm, reminds me of quote v a little bit...Oh my bad the names A.J if you wonder... I got here recently and I do love Red Vs. Blue been watching when I was little (Not really) it was entertaining for me... Now I watch R.W.B.Y and so far its awesome. Well I be here wondering and looking around for people to say hi to. Well stay golden.
5 months agoanneapocalypse Shine bright like a Lina
Wow, I do not trust Temple even a little bit. Interestingly, he still gives me way more of a smarmy Captain Flowers vibe than a Church vibe. And his comments to Tucker about Dylan are a pretty effective red herring. He’s drumming up suspicion of the reporter team, positioning them as the outsiders and his own team as allies, using the mistrust of Dylan to gain Tucker’s sympathy.
I’m not saying I 100% trust Dylan, of course, but at this point I’m far more suspicious of Temple. Dylan’s motives, at least, unless she’s hiding something major, are fairly clear. Temple’s are still pretty blurry.
The prototype explanation I like. Whether or not it turns out to be completely true, I’m glad both that the Blood Gulchers are actively questioning the situation, and that there is an explanation given–I wrote last week that I hoped that would be the case, and once again, Joe delivers.
I even like the explanation itself, because frankly, setting up a trial outpost with recruits of similar psychological profiles… well, that certainly doesn’t seem outside the realm of things Project Freelancer would do. Specifically, things the Counselor would do.
Furthermore, Doc’s familiarity with the Blues and Reds bears out at this part of their story. Of course he’d know them–he was probably serving as a medic for other sim bases even before Blood Gulch Outpost was set up.
I’m also just very happy to see Doc back in general, and to learn that he’s been safe thus far. I’ve had about enough of Doc being forgotten.
I come back to Temple. It’s emphasized how much the Blues and Reds are like their Red and Blue counterparts… all except Temple, who really doesn’t resemble Church in anything but color and name. One of these things is not like the other. Perhaps the rest of the Blues and Reds really do have nothing to hide and are just following their leader. It’s the leader who doesn’t fit, and it’s him I don’t trust. Others have suggested he might be a Freelancer just as Captain Flowers was a Freelancer, and I think that’s a pretty viable theory. Either way, I think he’s the one to keep an eye on.
I did enjoy very much hearing someone tell Tucker he fights like a Freelancer, even if it was underhanded flattery–and I’m not convinced it was, not completely. However much the Blues and Reds may resemble the Blood Gulchers, they aren’t them–they haven’t lived their lives, had their experiences. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say Tucker might truly have surprised Temple a little. It wouldn’t be the first time Tucker’s been underestimated.
Glad to see a glimpse of Carolina and Wash at the end. I hope we get to see what they’ve been up to next week.
5 months agoanneapocalypse Shine bright like a Lina
I was so busy last week, I flaked on making a real episode post, but I'm back!
So we’ve met the imposters, and transitioned into what I’d call the third chapter of this storyline.
And I’m really not sure yet how I feel about these new characters. We’ve learned a few things about them, but everything we learned really raised more questions than it answered.
So Church is supposedly in UNSC hands, and the imposters are supposedly responsible for relaying his message to Chorus. Mm. I still don’t like it, nor do I necessarily believe it, but those are really two separate things.
A bigger question in my mind, though, is: the imposters have identified themselves as other sim troopers, and they claim to have reasons for their actions, namely someone within the UNSC trying to mop up all traces of Project Freelancer. But to me, that still doesn’t really explain what they stood to gain by blowing up buildings and stealing supplies, when the UNSC already had it out for them. Are they going to claim they were just preparing to defend themselves? It feel not just unnecessarily violent, but unnecessarily complicated. The raids have only raised their profile and made it more difficult for them to hide.
But perhaps the biggest question mark for me is this: I’m not sure at present whether the way they mimic the Blood Gulch troops–in color, in voice and mannerism, even down to the absence of Grif and Doc figures–is just for shits, or is meant to indicate that they are still, despite their claims, deliberately imitating. I’d honestly prefer the second. I’d rather have it actually be plot-meaningful in some way, because if it’s purely a gag and yet one we have to read as canon, then it becomes vaguely uncomfortable without being useful or meaningful. It’s coincidence for the sake of a gag that, honestly, isn’t particularly funny. Sure, we all still get a good chuckle out of the Blood Gulchers’ characteristic quirks, but I don’t particularly find them funnier just because they’re happening in stereo.
Cooperating with these duplicates, too, raises the question of stakes for me, since not only do I not have any emotional investment in these new characters, but the dissonance of their similarity to the main cast sort of actively discourages me from caring about them–and this is coming from me, who gets interested in new characters pretty quickly. I’m easier than most. But it’s hard to sell even me on characters who feel like throwaways–characters who, in fact, feel like they need to be removed for things to be set right, like the Tuvix episode of Voyager or the two John Crichtons in Farscape. Their presence creates a constant low-level sense of wrongness in the viewer, that will need to resolve somehow for a satisfying conclusion.
Some minor notes:
- “Four-star bureaucrat sweeping us under the rug before he runs for office?” That sounds like Hargrove, except as far as we know, Hargrove was captured, but hmm.
- I am enjoying the little documentary-esque segments at the beginning of the episodes! I hope those continue.
- I particularly enjoy Simmons pretending to have no feelings about Grif while continuing to talk about Grif constantly.
- Okay, there’ve been some travel jump-cuts in RvB but this one takes the cake. I have absolutely no clue where this underwater base is in proximity to the desert gulch, and it’s… kind of disorienting. Like way more than usual.
I’m by no means unhappy, per se, just eager to see where this all goes and how it resolves. Looking forward to next week, and hoping to see Carolina and Wash again soon.
6 months agoanneapocalypse Shine bright like a Lina
So, Grif was my favorite part of this episode, and I mean, if my favorite part of an episode isn’t Carolina and she was there, that means it was damn good.
Grif is my favorite member of Red Team. I’ve long felt he’s the most multidimensional of the Reds, and I love how much he’s developed over the years. Though Tucker is in the protagonist position for most of the Chorus trilogy, and thus gets the most character development, I’ve always felt like Grif’s side arc was fantastic, and his “I don’t want to be the one giving shitty orders that no one wants to follow!” is a favorite moment of mine.
And it would’ve been so easy to just sort of plateau his character development there. Not stop, just… level out. He’s gone through all of Blood Gulch, being transferred away, getting a promotion and losing it. Underneath it all, Grif can care and he is capable of putting in effort when he chooses too, but he dislikes the responsibility of leadership, and the asking other people to take risks for you that comes with it. Nevertheless, season 15 Grif could’ve echoed Recollections Grif, and Chorus Grif, with his resigned “Let’s just do it already.”
But Grif isn’t quite that Grif anymore.
It’s worth mentioning that Grif functions here as a bit of audience proxy, and it’s not the first time Joe’s used that particularly device. Thus far, the audience proxy has mostly been Dylan, stating out loud theories Joe anticipated his audience would formulate–for example, “Those aren’t the real Reds and Blues, the weapons are wrong,” etc. It’s something he seems to be really good at, anticipating where the viewer’s mind will take things and putting a character right there with us to confirm, deny, or simply relate. So Grif, with his “Why can’t Church stay dead?” gets to be a stand-in for the members of the audience who feel similarly.
Of course, that’s not all he is. This is the next step of Grif’s personal arc. After years of following the others around on their wild adventures, even volunteering for those wild adventures more than once and yet still being characterized as the lazy one–after embarking on multiple high-risk operations to save others, Grif is done. He just wants some peace. While the Freelancers argue with the rest of the Blood Gulchers over which fire to put out first, Grif chooses door #3. Grif doesn’t want to play anymore.
And he is really, genuinely, deeply upset. Dylan thinks she can talk him out, smooth things over–she thinks that from watching the logs, she knows him well enough to do that. She doesn’t.
Wash thinks he knows Grif well enough to think he’ll come along for the ride, that his (in his mind) good-natured ragging about “look who finally decided to join us” will go over fine. Sarge thinks he knows Grif well enough to crack a joke and give an order and make him come back.
None of them know Grif as well as they think they do.
But I think the one hit the hardest by that realization is Simmons, who doesn’t say a word. He just stands there, staring, as Grif walks one way, and everyone else walks the other. He seems completely at a loss.
Then, too, their little hook-up probably has hell’s bells of unresolved feelings behind it. I’m not holding my breath for that to be touched on in canon, but I’ll admit, the way the camera lingered on Simmons, there… I wonder.
Either way, Grif’s characterization has taken off in a direction that’s new yet not at all out of left field. I can’t wait to see where it goes, and how his relationships with the others change along with it.
6 months agoanneapocalypse Shine bright like a Lina
To be honest my biggest concern about Church coming back is that we’ll get a remix of the plot of Halo 5. (Spoilers for that game follow, so if anyone cares, you should probably back out now.)
When season 15 was pitched, it was a pretty clear parallel to Hunt the Truth, for anyone familiar with it. (You can find it here, and I highly recommend listening to it even if you’re not into Halo, because it’s a great story.) Hunt the Truth was a promotional podcast/audio drama released prior to Halo 5. In it, journalist Benjamin Giraud is working a story about Spartan John-117, or the Master Chief, who appeared to have gone rogue and betrayed the UNSC. During his investigation, Ben finds a number of details that don’t add up, and finds himself embroiled in lies, military secrets, political intrigue, and rumors of unrest in the outer colonies.
See what I mean?
I was definitely apprehensive about the idea of season 15 being, well, that closely derivative I guess (RvB has always been vaguely derivative of Halo but has never just borrowed a plot wholesale to my knowledge), but you know what, Joe hooked me early with good storytelling, and interesting characters, and my worries all but evaporated. Even if it was derivative, if it was a good story, I’d be on board.
The potential reappearance of Church… well, that rings some Halo 5 bells. For the uninitiated (again, spoilers), at the end of Halo 4, the AI Cortana is nearing the end of her AI lifespan, and sacrifices herself to save the day, leaving her longtime Spartan companion and close friend John-117 behind. Again, sounds familiar.
In Halo 5, the big “twist” is that Cortana is alive… and is now the villain.
Yeah, there are a lot of reasons why a lot of Halo fans do not consider this a good story.
And given the already close parallels to Halo, Church’s reappearance in this context makes me nervous. I’ve written already about why I do not particularly want Church resurrected again, but I especially don’t want him to return as a villain. I hope Joe’s smart enough not to go this route; the blowback from Halo 5 was pretty loud if I understand it, and I would think you wouldn’t exactly want to pull from the playbook of a story with that much negative fan reception. But I’ll feel a lot better about it when I can clearly see that RvB isn’t going that route with Church.
6 months agoanneapocalypse Shine bright like a Lina
All right, so let’s talk about Church.
This post is much more personal feelings than theory. You might not agree with me and that’s fine–I understand that character deaths can be a sensitive subject and I am not interested in telling anyone else how they should feel. These are my personal feelings only. If you want Church back, you are welcome to want Church back and I’m not here to tell you otherwise. That said–
I really do not want Church to come back.
As of now, my working theory is that the holographic message is just that, a message, possibly something from when Epsilon was alive, possibly a manipulated voice recording or one constructed outright. While the word “Alpha” is clearly intended to make us think of Alpha Church, in context it sounds much more like he’s saying “This is Church from _ _ Alpha.” The double beat of static before Alpha makes me think he said “Crash Site Alpha,” but “Blood Gulch Outpost Alpha” is also a possibility.
My favorite variant of this theory, courtesy of a comment from CheshireOfStars here on the site (man I wish you could permalink comments), is that the message is a trap intended to draw the Reds and Blues out of hiding, potentially to finish them off for good. I’m hoping it’s something in that vein.
There are several reasons I do not want Church to come back.
First, I’m just not a big fan of heroic sacrifices being immediately reversed. I said the same thing right after [spoiler redacted] died in RWBY; while there are times when it works, I tend to dislike denial of death narratives generally, though it really does depend on how it’s done. I didn’t mind Donut coming back, because his death had been so senseless that it was never particularly about his character development (the point of it was to be senseless, to show that Wash was at the end of his rope), and thus he had a lot more narrative value being alive.
Church… well, Church is more complicated.
Epsilon didn’t exactly pop up as a fully formed replacement goldfish for Alpha Church immediately following his death. In fact a lot of season 7′s plot is Caboose trying to figure out how to give Epsilon a body so that… well, so that they can be friends, mostly. Epsilontucker on tumblr
wrote some great stuff here about how Epsilon doesn’t immediately take on the identity of Church, how it takes some time for him to decide that “I’m Church now.” He grows into that identity over time. So Epsilon isn’t really a “Surprise! Alpha’s not dead,” not in that context (no matter how much the writers themselves just wanted to bring Church back). If the Church in this hologram is a living Alpha or Epsilon or fragment of Epsilon (epsilon!Epsilon if you will), his appearance would be much more of a “Surprise! Church isn’t dead!” if in fact that’s what he is.
Then too, neither Alpha nor Epsilon died for nothing. They both made a sacrifice, though for different reasons. I’m pretty firmly in the camp that Alpha did know what he was doing at the end, and did it for Tex and no one else; your mileage may vary on that one. Epsilon we know gave his life for his friends, in a final selfless act that we now know allowed the Reds and Blues to not only win their battle but take Hargrove prisoner. It’s also strongly hinted that he was closer to the end of his AI lifespan than the beginning, and that that might’ve contributed to his decision.
I’m not going to say it necessarily cheapens a heroic sacrifice if the hero survives anyway, but I will say that I often find it unsatisfying. It’s not so much about believability, for me; it’s more that from a narrative standpoint, I feel like the writers are trying to have it both ways. They want all the emotional impact of a major character death in a dramatic manner, without the repercussions of actually losing that major character from the cast.
And I gotta say that on a show where it’s been done a couple of times, it gets a little old. To put it bluntly: make up your mind, Burnie. You either want to keep voicing your very special Halo OC or you don’t. (And for the record, I’m not laying it on Joe if Church comes back because I’m 99% convinced that would be Burnie’s decision either way.) If you’re done, be done. Let it go.
That’s the thing about Epsilon: his story is all about learning to let go. He’s the first version of Church who did. He’s the first one who decided to stop chasing Tex, to let her go and try to exist without her (and whether or not his forgetting Tex actually deleted her is another thing entirely and I’m not going to get into it here).
Epsilon and Carolina learn that lesson together, the importance of letting go and moving forward–and Carolina is very clearly doing her best to do that, even in her grief. She is the carrier of the Church legacy–she is the spiritual successor to Tex (and really she has been since the Chorus trilogy but that’s another post and one I need to make). Wash carries forward the legacy (and the memory, literally) of Church the leader of Blue team, but Carolina carries forward the legacy of the Church family.
Letting go has become a rather important theme in Red vs. Blue. Bringing Church back from the dead again does not play well with that theme at this point in time, regardless of which Church it is.
The “Alpha” in the message is certainly going to stir up theories that Alpha Church wasn’t destroyed in the EMP, so here’s why I don’t want it to be Alpha, specifically:
From both a character standpoint and a narrative standpoint, Alpha Church might not fit so well with the Blood Gulch characters anymore.
That doesn’t mean they no longer care about him. It doesn’t mean they don’t miss him. But he has been gone for years. Alpha being dropped back into the cast would be a major adjustment at the very least. If Epsilon was pissed at Wash taking his place on Blue team, can you fucking imagine how Alpha would react to that? Alpha never showed the kind of affection for Caboose that Epsilon developed over time; how would he treat Caboose? How would he treat Tucker? Hell, Epsilon was gone for mere weeks and acted shocked and affronted upon his return at Tucker’s (then) modest character development. How would Alpha act toward him, having witnessed none of his development since Blood Gulch?
Alpha and Epsilon were both Church, but they weren’t the same person. And I’m not saying I don’t like Alpha; I do, very much, and always have. But that’s not the question–it’s whether his return would make for a good story, and I feel that barring some very careful handling (of the sort that would take considerable time away from plot), no, bringing Alpha back to the cast would not be good story.
As a final note, I really, really do not want this season to become a direct parallel of Halo 5… but that’s another post.
In conclusion, I do not think bringing Church back in any iteration serves either the story or the extensive character development we’ve seen over the past several seasons, I don’t think it’s a good fit for the overall themes of the series, and I’m hoping the message is a red herring leading into some other kind of plot development.