Volume 5, Chapter 13: Downfall

RWBY: Volume 5, Chapter 13: Downfall

Ruby, Weiss, Blake, and Yang are each entangled in journeys of their own, but they all share one destination: Haven Academy. Whether it's the promise of ancient relics, mystical maidens, or simply more power, it's clear that the stage for the next great battle for Remnant has been chosen. The question is, with so many players in this game, who's going to come out on top?

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  • SavageMan5

    8 hours ago

    So Juane has high defence/vitality and can give of himself to heal/buff others. You don't really get much more paladin than that.


    All he needs now is a Holy Smite

  • jamesfezer FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 hours ago

    who did cinders maiden powers go to since the glowy eye dissipated 

    • luminedracone

      39 minutes ago

      The "glowy eye" dissipating doesn't mean Cinder lost the Fall Maiden's power, just that it deactivated. She was still alive before Raven froze her, and I believe she is still alive, if just to allow Ruby and Jaune to actually witness her death or better yet participate in it.

  • SirLucidus

    8 hours ago

    Song Lyrics "Murder Unkindness Conspiracy"

    Murder = Crows

    Unkindness = Ravens

    Conspiracy = Lemurs...?

    I don't think we know any Lemurs...(no Sun is not a Lemur, Zoboomafoo is a lemur)

  • Crystalize

    9 hours ago

    While rewatching

    Pauses scene where blake meets the gang again.

    *stares at weiss' giant lancer grimm* hahahaha even weiss ships bumblebee

  • kmn483

    16 hours ago

    Way too many bad anime tropes in this episode imo. The point where they formed the two large blades just made me laugh. Half the fight was a mix of awesome and ugh. The dialogue in the beginning was really bad too, along with all of the Taurus outside scene. And Ruby just tells Yang to go down after them, despite herself being equally capable. The opportunity doesn't even seem that big. I really feel like a lot of this episode was just convenient set-ups so people would be in the right position. Lets just grab the guy with a scorpion tail to drag him back in. Vernal just so happened to have enough strength after resting for a long fight to fire a gun and then immediately die.

    • peytonnaomi06

      12 hours ago

      You perfectly summed up my thoughts on this episode. Especially the ridiculous anime fight and the cringey, terrible dialogue.

    • CyberLambo101 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 hours ago

      What's not a trope these days?

  • TimelessClasss FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    20 hours ago

    The way Adam says blakes name when she first appears makes it sound like he's still in love with her 

  • metalshy

    21 hours ago

    The Moment you realise her name is Cinder "Fall" and you think how did i not see this coming v5 c13. rofl

  • Nicro

    21 hours ago

    Adam: WAIT!...I still need the pre-killing villain monologue. *Starts laughing for no reason after the pause*


    Who wrote that into the script? it just seems awkward?

    Or is there something I don't get here?

    • TimelessClasss FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      20 hours ago

      He's laughing cos he sent people to go bring her to him and she just rocks up by herself after eliminating the people he sent. He finds it funny that he got what he wanted.. he also thinks shes there alone, so he can taunt her before he kills her or whatever he wants to do with her 

  • IceQueenJutsu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mirror Mirror

    22 hours ago

    I guess I will rate the volumes of best to worst. Remember it's only my opinion based on story, development and characters. So it's okay if you don't like it and disagree. Don't take rank 1 as being awesome best ever and 5 as shit. No, not at all. There's many reasons for this order but I don't want to write an essay. I loved all the volumes but some more than others.


    1)Volume 4

    2)Volume 3

    3)Volume 2

    4)Volume 5

    5)Volume 1



    • theabstracted

      14 hours ago

      For me, it would go like this:


      1) Volume 3

      2) Volume 2

      3) Volume 5

      4) Volume 1 

      5) Volume 4

    • IceQueenJutsu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mirror Mirror

      14 hours ago

       How is my comment flame bait? Whoever down-voted that you are silly. It's my honest opinion.  omar

    • RaizoX90 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      9 hours ago

      Lol I think they are all great

    • IceQueenJutsu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mirror Mirror

      3 hours ago

      @RaizoX90 You mean the volumes? Yes I agree. This is just my opinion of what volumes I think are better/enjoyed more. ;)

  • metalshy

    23 hours ago

    The Moment you realise her Name is Cinder "Fall" and think how didnt i see this coming.rofl

  • ninjanoto

    1 day ago

    calling it right now, summer rose was the prior spring maiden, and gave it to raven,

    • IceQueenJutsu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mirror Mirror

      1 day ago

      Watch the next episode. Not what I got from it.

  • FireTiger07

    1 day ago

    "This is the end

    Here's where you'll die

    [...]

    No one will miss you" 


    These are the lyrics that begin to play as Raven unsheathes her katana and the two begin to fight on the falling rocks. Not saying this is 100% proof that Cinder is dead, maybe it was just to add tension and a sense of apprehension... Though still interesting. I'm not sure what to think about this. I know there are many great points against Cinder's death, from plot line to how easy it appeared, etc. 

    Still, what does everyone else think? Please let me know!

    • FireTiger07

      1 day ago

      11:34 is where the music starts, by the way

    • IceQueenJutsu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mirror Mirror

      1 day ago

      Well it's interesting but lyrics isn't confirmation of death or even a indicator that she's dead per say. Because they making this too obvious with the intent of making people question whether or not she's dead. It's a often used story tactic to surprise viewers or readers when they reveal her in the next season. In my own opinion, that's exactly what will happen. 


      Also, Cinder is the type to use a lot of power in desperate situation, especially when she hasn't fulfilled her goals yet. So I can see her breaking out of the ice, and using her maiden powers/grimm arm to get back up or maybe levitate above the ground, stop levitating and maybe there's a way out down there. We don't know what's down there after all, or even how high that fall is. It could be not that high and they just blacked it out to keep viewers guessing, who knows. They realize that's far more interesting for viewers than just telling us outright. :) 

    • AenarTenthSkraeling FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      19 hours ago

      I think Cinder might actually be dead. My reasoning comes from Episode 14 and how much focus was put on Emerald's reaction to her death as well as the way Emerald's Semblance going into overdrive and giving the bad guys the chance to escape mirrors the way Ruby first activated her Silver Eyes and prevented the Fall of Beacon from being a complete victory for the villains. I think that going forward Emerald might grow and evolve to take Cinder's place, in a similar way that Ruby is growing to become the key to victory for the good guys. 

    • IceQueenJutsu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mirror Mirror

      18 hours ago

      @AenarTenthSkraeling Or that is just Emerald filling her mind with the worst case scenario and that's all it can mean. There's cause for her being both alive and dead. We'll just have to wait and see.

  • Rosalily

    1 day ago

    I can see why the developers opted for Raven to use mainly ice and lightning. She's cold to almost everyone she talks to and willing to strike down anyone who gets in her way. 

  • EntityXD

    1 day ago

    wouldnt it be funny if in the finale yang and raven get locked in the vault and have to work as a team to survive and find another way out? Or are (shudder) forced to spend mother daughter time together?

  • Silver1989

    1 day ago

    quite a lot of ice for a spring maiden... my guess is that Vernal wasn't really a decoy, but Raven now has the power of two maidens.

    • luminedracone

      1 day ago

      A Maiden has access to all types of magic, not just a certain type. Cinder has been shown using fire, ice and earth, while Raven has used lightning and ice. Cinder uses fire most of the time because it fits her personally and her name.

  • IceQueenJutsu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mirror Mirror

    1 day ago

    "Our aura heals our bodies. It feels more like I'm using my aura to amplify hers" It's not Jaune's semblance. He's transferring some of his aura to Weiss. The reason I'm saying this is, because despite of this episode there seem to be a group of people still under the impression it's his semblance. It isn't. 

    • EntityXD

      1 day ago

      also, if it wasn't healing, how the hell is Weiss able to fight, let alone stand? She has a huge hole in her liver still, the pain from that alone should have taken her out for the last two episodes of the season

    • noonyakaleka

      1 day ago

      @EntityXD - Please read "Our aura heals our bodies"! Weiss healed herself with the aura Jaune gave her.

    • IceQueenJutsu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mirror Mirror

      1 day ago

      @EntityXD Pretty much what noonyakaleka said. Aura can heal you as stated by Jaune. 

    • AenarTenthSkraeling FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      19 hours ago

      Wait. Are you trying to say that Aura Amplification isn't his Semblance and that he just somehow subconsciously figured out how to transfer his Aura to other people without any negative side effects? 0__o


      Because if you are then you really have no business taking the "people are wrong and I'm here to correct them tone."


      If what you're trying to say is that his Semblance isn't Healing but instead Aura Amplification/transfer then you would be correct but should also reword your sentence because that's not what you actually wrote.

    • IceQueenJutsu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mirror Mirror

      18 hours ago

      double comment, my bad

    • IceQueenJutsu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mirror Mirror

      18 hours ago

      AenarTenthSkraeling   omar I've been very respectful to everyone, there's no reason to give me that type of attitude. Furthermore, I have no such type of tone, I only come with my own viewpoint and discuss it with others. That's the whole point of the comment section. You saying I have that tone is nothing more than your ignorant assertion when you could of just asked. Fact of the matter is, I only introduce my opinion and I have no problem with people disagreeing. But don't come at me with that type of nonsense otherwise I will ignore you. I only stated what Jaune said, however I was mistaken. It is his semblance, but it's not healing. Still, you need to learn some manners. 

  • dasytaylor

    1 day ago

    She used to be Cinder Fall now she is Cinder Falling

    • rwbykidcrestent

      1 day ago

      Nice one that was PUN-ny!

    • RaizoX90 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      9 hours ago

      More like Cinder Fell to me.

  • Gh0st962

    1 day ago

    Now if we're seriously hurt all we have to do is look at Jaune and yell out MEDIC

    • EntityXD

      1 day ago

      Should i be awake for this?......... Vell no but vile you are do you mind holding your ribcage open? I can't quite get (aaaaaaaaaa) oooooh don't be such a baby......ribs grow back (whispers to Archimedes) no zey dont

  • G-Money

    1 day ago

    I believe cinder will survive, for she took some of the Raven's Maiden powers and had a taste of it. But if she really is dead, then who would get the Fall Maiden's power?

    • jibberishanimal

      1 day ago

      ruby would have it since cinder thinks about her a lot

    • Silver1989

      1 day ago

      Or Raven. Or Vernal's corpse (which would cause a random inheritance of the power).

    • BWBY

      1 day ago

      Could be Emerald too, since she said it herself, she owes everything to Cinder.

  • nathanieltalonz

    1 day ago

    In a lot of ways this season has been rwby mixed with borderlands mixed with avatar. 


    so three of my favorite series


    i knew there was a reason i liked this season

  • nathanieltalonz

    1 day ago

    Avatar aang is that you?

  • REDMaize

    1 day ago

    Well that maiden 1v1 felt like it was inspired by a certain final fantasy fight :P

    Nonetheless, holy shookers, was that fight pretty darn entertaining to watch!


    I read some previous comments, saying basically how slow the fights are now, compared to like seasons 1 and 2...


    Guys, no one is able to fully mimic Monty's speed and flow of fights. It's just not gonna happen.

    What we should do however, is appreciate the current animator(s)'s style, speed and flow.


    Now of course, Season 3's fights were most definitely slow, don't get me wrong. But by the time season 4 came out, there was a big noticeable difference on the overall flow and speed. And that was pleasing to see. Same thing happened again with Season 5; the speed and flow improved, however, not by a great amount.


    But I think the biggest difference, between Season 1 and 2 (Monty) and Season 3 onward (Current animators), is the Style.

    Monty's style of fighting is lightning-fast and smooth, with little to no pauses. No movement was ever wasted in any of his fights. That's what made it so entertaining and charming, because of the fluidity, with how each action led into another, and the speed, with how you're given basically no time to fully react to the punches and kicks.

    I think the best example, in my opinion, is Season 2, Episode 5: Extracurricular. Pyrrha's 1v4 match is the perfect example of Monty's speed and flow, while 'Pyrrha vs Mercury' is a good but short example of Monty's flow, even when the pacing is a little slower.


    Now we have our current animators' style. At first, starting with Season 3, it's slow, clunky, jerky and pretty awkward at times. Compared to Monty's, there are a lot of big pauses in between actions, which in turn, slows down and in some cases, even break the flow on how actions are performed. 'S3, Ep. 5: Never miss a beat' is quite the example.

    But here we are, nearing the ending of Season 5. From the near end of Season 3 to Season 5, the fights went from being slow, clunky with big pauses, to a decently fast, slightly clunky at times with fewer and smaller pauses, here and there.


    BUT what has been consistent, from the very start of S3, is the IMPACT of attacks. All hits, whether it was a slow, prepared strike to a fast swing, each and every hit felt like it had some weight to it. Slow-mo also help contribute to the impact of attacks, and it works both ways; both for a slow heavy and a light fast attack.


    So what we have are two different styles:

    - Monty's style is incredibly fluid and insanely fast, but lacks the impacts for hits.

    - The current animators' style emphasize on heavier impacts on every hit, with the assistance of Slow-motion to help further emphasize, but in turn, slows down the fights and affects the fluidity of actions.



    So where does all this leave us?

    Well, unfortunately, since Monty has passed away (Rest in Peace), we will no longer get the 'Monty' speed and flow that we all enjoyed back when RWBY was new; back in Season 1 and 2. In some people's cases, that's probably the main reason why you picked it up in the first place. So it's totally understandable that there would be complaints about how RWBY doesn't have the speed that it once had. 


    But that shouldn't be a discouragement or a detriment to our enjoyment of this show.


    The current animators have come a long way to get to the level of fluidity and speed that they're at with this episode. You gotta hand it to them; they have vastly improved. There's no doubt about that.


    Monty may not be with us anymore, but the fights are in capable and talented hands.

    We won't get the crazy fast fights with real smooth movements anymore, but we do get some pretty fast fights with impacts that bring the 'hurt' to our heroes and heroines.


    I really do miss Monty's style...

    But it doesn't stop me from enjoying the current style of fighting, from our current animators. :)

    Keep up the great work guys~ :D

    • Silver1989

      1 day ago

      I personally think motion as a whole has only gotten more fluid between volumes, but that's just me.

  • henrycool01

    1 day ago

    It sucks that Vernal died I liked her. ): she was a great figter I mean damn she fought well against Wiess. She fought well for her Tribe her family. May she Rest in Peace. ): 

  • henrycool01

    1 day ago

    Well I guess Ruby and Jaune got revenge or Raven got it for them. I was looking forward to seeing Ruby kick Cinder's ass guess not.

  • dustinkitty25

    1 day ago

    I love nora she peaceful but mean "i don't need him to hurt, i just need him TO GO DOWN"

    • henrycool01

      1 day ago

      I think it would be better if Nora said.

      Nora: I don't need him hurt !!I JUST NEED HIM DEAD!!!

    • Hawk_of_Battle

      1 day ago

      I think "I don't need him to hurt, I just need him to BREAK!", would have sounded better. Doesn't matter if you can resist pain if all your bones are broken from being hit by a super-strength hammer to the chest.

    • EntityXD

      1 day ago

      They missed the perfect opportunity for her to say "lets break his legs"

  • Jpiszen

    1 day ago

    I feel like if cinder survives another body part will be Grimm 

    • G-Money

      1 day ago

      I bet it would be the other side of her face.

    • nathanieltalonz

      1 day ago

      if she survives i will officially be fed up with RWBY

    • Silver1989

      1 day ago

      It would be a good comeback but not worth the investment into the character, who at this point has gone from evil witch-lady with an interesting amount of potential character to the epitome of "a grudge against Ruby Rose." She basically only follows Salem and hates Ruby now, so I could see her not being "penultimate boss" material.

  • RJ-Zeavran-Yar

    1 day ago

    Finally! A fight scene where friends reunite and, instead of hugging and kissing, they keep fighting.

    • Silver1989

      1 day ago

      No, instead Emerald and Mercury disappear in the most jarring disengagement of the volume, while Blake runs by the biggest threat in the area without so much as a glance between her and Hazel.

  • RogueMusicFreak FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Keeper of Rhythm

    1 day ago

    What happened to episode 14? If they have tech problems, i hope they will resolve them soon...

  • wintrwizrd FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 day ago

    no episode  14? This was last Saturdays episode. 

    • z3r0th3v3rmill10nph0enix FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 day ago

      The icon just disappeared a few minutes ago.

  • zaru

    1 day ago

    Rule number 1: If you want somebody dead, don't assume he or she is just because he or she fell into a abyss, always make sure he or she is dead by seeing her or his bloody dead body.

    Also, of course Cinder is not dead Raven was frozen at the beginning of the fight and freed herself without being able to control fire and guess what Cinder can control and used the whole fight? Exactly, cotton.

    Also, also, please do not make a mistake like Cinder appears again and Raven sacrifices herself for Yang, that would be... predictable, kind of boring and not fitting for this series.



    Cheers

    • alamirsebi

      1 day ago

      All Maidens can utilize all elements,they just choose specifics. Also,Raven had full Aura and was fresh when she thawed. Cinder had no Aura and was severely weakened.

    • blackfeather22 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 day ago

      But Raven still had her aura while cinder was frozen from the inside and didn't have any more aura

    • parkity_parkpark FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 day ago

      honestly i was thinking exactly the same thing watching episode 14, like it would be good from a story and character development point until you realize how ridiculously stereotypical and predictable that would be

    • Rex8112

      1 day ago

      I don't think Maiden powers require aura, they are different than semblance's. The Maiden powers are magic.

    • IceQueenJutsu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mirror Mirror

      2 hours ago

      @zaru I totally agree. We didn't hear a crashing sound, no body was seen, and nothing was confirmed in RWBY rewind. 


      @alamirsebi Yes weakened, but just because she was weakened it has to mean death right. She can't be injured or get out of this? She can, you don't actually need aura to use your maiden powers. It would just take a little to get out of the ice.


      @blackfeather22 Again you don't need aura to use maiden powers. 


      @Rex8112 Yeah it doesn't, it was confirmed as well iirc.

  • ShadowN1Njax123 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 day ago

    I honestly think that Cinder's death was very poetic. It rhymed in the way that it came in 3. The episode title, her name, and when she fell. Plus falling is a very symbolic death in itself. In a lot of Disney movie villains die by falling, it is ment to symbolize them going to hell (which is definatly where Cinder is going). I am kinda of sad Juane didn't get to kill her. But revenge is a double edged sword and I think it would destroy Juane's character if he did get it. 




    • KPHSKPM FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 day ago

      The song says "Embers extinguished in effigy", so it could be seen that Raven is actually working against Salem even though she claims she wants nothing to do with it, as she basically snuffed out Cinder's candle so to speak and killed her in "effigy" or protest. Ironic that the fall maiden named Cinder FALL may of died from falling.

  • datguychwiz

    1 day ago

    OMG I ALWAYS WANTED TO SEE WHATRWO MAIDENS FIGHTING LOOKED LIKE SND I BET THATS NOT EVEN THEM GOING ALL OUT

    • sorinajani FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 day ago

      I agree. Raven was using her powers as a supplement to her skills as a Huntress, but Cinder was just making fire blades. Clear mismatch of skill

    • TR8TR FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 day ago

      Raven is OP, please nerf. XD
      But yeah, that's true. This fight shows Raven's experience in fighting and even shows that she is more cunning than Cinder. All while Cinder is pretty much brute using her abilities and driven with greed for more power and arrogance.

  • Wizzkidwas

    1 day ago

    THAT WAS FUCKING AWEEEEEEESOME

    THE FIGHT BETWEEN TWO MAIDENS

    BLAKE'S RETURN

    AAAAAAAAAAMAZING

  • ValentineHeart FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 days ago

    I just wish they'd solve the delayed character reactions and not wrote characters to just stand there. Ruby just awkwardly rotated all episode, and there feels like a pregnant pause between anything that happens and any characters reaction to it.

  • siraaronslucario FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 days ago

    FINALE HYPE! Let's hope that Cinder Fell does not make a re-appearance! :D

    • Rebellion101 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Sunzo

      2 days ago

      Wut? No! I don't hope one way or the other. Because if she comes back. Awesome a villain with even MORE of a vengeance. If she doesn't? hell yeah, ballsy writing that has killed off a character.

    • IceQueenJutsu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mirror Mirror

      1 day ago

      Killing her off right now this way would be terrible writing and timing, actually. 

    • blackfeather22 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 day ago

      agreed

  • alphenarose FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 days ago

    I think Cinder is alive still and might make an appearance while Yang and Raven are talking/fighting and either Yang or Raven will end up hurt or dead and if it's Raven(more than likely)then Yang will get the maiden power

  • 1korwin1

    2 days ago

    Well, that's interesting. I have a storng feeling that this is not the end of Cinder. It would be too easy to kill her that way. I think that she must live - only to make her suffer more for everything she had done to Remnant.

  • ihatewigets1 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 days ago

    Love this episode so much

  • IceQueenJutsu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mirror Mirror

    2 days ago

    Hello everyone! I would just like to give my two cents 6 hours before the new episode is out (for FIRST members) 


    There's a few key factors that leads me to strongly believe that Cinder is not dead:

     

    Let's not forget that it's possible Maidens can fly as seen with Autumn in the flash back. If not fly they can at least levitate at decent heights. There's little to no reason to just assume Cinder can't break out of the ice when Raven did it pretty easily. And when you don't in this case hear a crashing sound of ice shattering or see a body, typically in fiction that does mean they are still alive. Finally, there's so much left for Cinder, everything with Salem, Jaune, Emerald and Mercury and last but not least Ruby. If by chance she is dead, in my opinion that is a bad decision by Roosterteeth for the story and characters.


    Now let's talk about what Yang might do. She is obviously fed up with her mom in this volume and for good reason, you can tell that her facial eexpression at the end shows anger. I don't think Raven is up to any good and more than likely she will try to lie to her own daughter, Yang, about what happened. Since Yang definitely doesn't trust her, and Raven isn't one to let go of her own selfish agenda, I can't for that reason, see it end in anything else than a fight. Yang however isn't a match, so maybe Raven will get away with the relic.


    The only way I see Raven not getting the relic is if Cinder returns, she steals the relic while Raven and Yang are fighting. However, I think Cinder will run away she's arrogant yes, but she's not so stupid to run into the fire after getting burned. 


    I see Cinder making a return in early 6 seeing her recover and what she's now going through. And then by mid volume 6 perhaps have changed quite a bit. Time will tell If I'm on track with any of this or far off. :)

    • MajorDude70 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 days ago

      I had a hunch after watching the opening over and over again that Salem is just going to appear in the very last episode wiith the RWBY reunion, along with Tyrian. 

    • IceQueenJutsu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mirror Mirror

      1 day ago

      @MajorDude70 Wow that would be pretty awesome. Also what you said takes me back to volume 5 chapter 3 I believe where Salem said to Waltz or Cinder, I forgot which one she said it to... Anyway that to tell Tyrian she wants to speak with him. We never learned what, did we? Very interesting. 

  • FlickerWolf

    2 days ago

    ***SPOILERS***


    Is anyone else curious about how much power Cinder drained from Raven with the Grimm arm? I mean we saw Raven relax so she could focus and freeze Cinder's leg, but it showed her losing power, will that have a lasting effect on Raven's total Maiden abilities? And I highly doubt Cinder is dead, I mean it took Raven all of like 10 seconds to unfreeze herself, and all she did was freeze Cinder, I don't get how that would kill her. 

    • oscarwest00 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 days ago

      In volume 3, a small part of Amber's power was transferred to Pyrrha, but Pyrrha never showed the capability to use any Fall Maiden powers. So it's safe to assume that just like this, Cinder didn't get enough of the Spring Maiden powers to keep them, and they just went back to Raven.

  • HumanoidTypeGrimm

    2 days ago

    We will forever miss you, Roman ... ...






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    and here, RWBY Cosplayers. Adam and Blake Cosplay.

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    • adam2186 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 days ago

      Is this the blake/adam cosplayers my mate tweeted me about adam on his knees praying to blakes bellabooty

  • Hiphiphopp

    2 days ago

    I think Summer was The spring maiden but then when she died she thought of Raven and maybe thats how she got to be the maiden? Just a theory.

    • king_mundy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 days ago

      I said the same thang 

    • carmine-rose

      1 day ago

      Cool theory.

    • digix

      1 day ago

      But the Spring Maiden ran away from  Haven.

  • SirLucidus

    2 days ago

    I think Weiss will end up joining Raven. In her latest song, Weiss states that she's "tired of being treated like a pawn." Raven heavily shared this emotion, as shown in Sacrifice. Also, Vernal told Weiss that she could see her living with the tribe, which seems more foreshadowing coming from her (an adversary). Raven needs someone to replace Vernal as second in command, which Weiss is capable of (she has always wanted to be the leader since V1). Finally, Cinder contrasts Raven and has Emerald as her 'apprentice'. With how much Emerald and Weiss contrast one another (on top of them fighting in the v2&3 intros; Rich/poor, good/evil, dirty fighter/formal duelist, etc) it makes sense for her to be Raven's 'apprentice'.


    • Hiphiphopp

      2 days ago

      No it really doesn't.. for instance RAVEN WANTED TO FUCKING KILL WEISS AND SHE KIDNAPPED HER AND MADE HER SIT IN A DAMN CAGE FOR A HIGH AMOUNT OF TIME OUTSIDE!

    • IceQueenJutsu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mirror Mirror

      2 days ago

      Weiss doesn't like Raven at all, and one of her best friends besides Ruby is Yang. I'm sorry but as far as theories goes yours doesn't really add up. 

    • KPHSKPM FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 day ago

      If this was for a English Writing Assessment you'd probably get high marks, for a theory, I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon. If anything I can see Raven either moving away from her current camp with her tribe and seeing Vernal as a Martyr, or Raven abandoning her tribe (doubt it) to help Ozpin (again doubt it as she hates his guts), to seek revenge against Salem.

    • IceQueenJutsu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mirror Mirror

      1 day ago

      @KPHSKPM More like it will never happen. I'm not sure what Raven will do, maybe it's hope for her to change. 

  • Kamzil118

    2 days ago

    Someone's been watching that one Final Fantasy movie...

  • bfernandez

    2 days ago

    Weell.. after what we saw, I can only hope that Yang rearms herself if she decides to fight Raven...

  • CrispyPantene

    2 days ago

    I feel bit of Phyrra is in Junan because remember when she gave her like aura to him?

    • bswenzel

      2 days ago

      i think a bit got lost in translation from your ears to your brain. 

    • KPHSKPM FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 day ago

      Translation : I feel like a bit of Pyrrha is inside of Jaune, because Pyrrha had used her aura to unlock Jaunes. Its a nice thought, but Pyrrha's death was planned from the beginning, she said she would watch over and protect him when she was unlocking her aura, but she can't do that much if she was disintegrated.

  • Usernamenot

    2 days ago

    honestly I had this feeling from vol4 that it was ment to be separate than vol 1-3 think about irony only the animation is dident so is the characters figthing styles look at blanc she went from a silent deadly ninja to basicly happy go lucky girl with her freind I know that blanc has changed but it should not be this much change of personality and I think ruby turned into a competent fighter to a worthless girl who can't do shit and yang and weise just feel normal I think after montys death the show split (I know vol3 is after Monties death but I feel vol3 is the ending to montys rwby) and now we're in a new age of rwby with new idea she and vision for better or worse

    • quakins FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 days ago

      who the flip is blanc?

    • Sulorak FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 days ago

      I suppose Blanc is Blake after reversing colors and she is a dog faunus now.

    • avanology

      1 day ago

      Honestly, I was beginning to think I was the only one! This is clearly a very very different RWBY from the vision that monty had. Everyone just seems so useless now. I think even the story is taking a tangent that Monty may not have been happy with. But they, what do i know?

  • Hockeyspartan19

    2 days ago

    You guys gotta make Hazel and Adam start giving hands to everyone 

  • Destroyah707

    2 days ago

    HAzel: Hiding behind a face of a child. A monster like you must be stopped!

    Me: Leo is hiding behind a powerful Broly like you. A coward like him must be stopped!

    • quakins FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 days ago

      Broly

    • KenpachiZaraki11

      2 days ago

      You are all hiding behind a Witch of a master Salem, cowards like you should be stopped.

  • Azairain FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 days ago

    Tomorow at 10 am ep 14 should drop for first members then Tuesday for non first members the Saturday for YouTube

    • quakins FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 days ago

      yes