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  • WrightKnight

    WrightKnight

    #33683743 - 5 months ago

    In reply to AAGGRESSS

    I can think of something worse: due to Ruby's recklessness, not only do they lose the Relic, but Weiss dies in the attack.  But DON'T WORRY: Ozpin's here to fix the consequences of your mistakes!  Oh, and in the process, Ruby uses her Silver Eyes again, firmly establishing it as a Grief Power.

  • acw28

    acw28

    #33683745 - 5 months ago

    In reply to revanninja

    Not completely denying it, but RT is like real life, it isn't 100% happy all the time. If Pyrrha does come back I'd be ecstatic, but I also know there would be some hidden (or not so hidden) cost.

  • revanninja

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    #33683748 - 5 months ago

    In reply to WrightKnight

    I would say that would SUCK big time. its okay for a power to be activated by grief the first time but not for every interaction of it otherwise all characters just become bullets for the SE gun. and that is pretty bad writing to be honest.


    Though wouldnt it be interesting if Ruby is the one who dies and when oz revives her he also revives Pyrrha?

    Be an interesting take and twist.


    In reply to acw28

    No not happy all the time but often not downer endings and they LIKE reviving people considering they revived a lot of people in RvB.

  • acw28

    acw28

    #33683752 - 5 months ago

    In reply to revanninja

    I'll give you Donut but really none of the other revived characters stay happy. All the AIs are deleted in various ways and the Freelancers were only brought back for flashbacks before ultimately being killed in the main story. I wouldn't say Wash and Carolina are at a happy ending since they both still have issues they need to work on.


    Also Lopez, the guy is just a head stuck at the bottom of the ocean, I can't think of many fates worst than that.

  • revanninja

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    #33683757 - 5 months ago

    In reply to acw28

    Well tex and Church are revived which means the AIs have a chance to come back.

    For Lopez considering Sarge that really isnt a bad fate for him.

    As for Wash and Carolina yes but they are aware of those issues and working on them.And its clear Wash and her are better then they were in Freelancers which is kind of the point.


    Keep in mind RvB isnt done yet so those things you bring up? Can be fixed but RT has a tendency to revive and generally try to make things better.

    People repent people grow and so on. They like making their characters WORK for it which is where I think you misunderstand things.


    EDIT

    Hold up I am getting things mixed up here.

    Tex and Church werent revived I was recalling something else and was mistaken.


    The rest of the point though does stand they have in fact killed and revived characters for example Sister was stated to be killed by Lopez turns out no she was just passed out. She is alive and reunites with her brother.


    Again not perfect endings but for the most part happy endings for most involved.

  • user-572df514355fe

    user-572df514355fe

    #33683762 - 5 months ago

    In reply to revanninja the way you described it sounds a lot like this anime i watched called chaos dragon where the main character can use the power of the red dragon but in exchange must offer up the life of someone close to him, if you get a chance watch some of the episode and try and do a comparison of what you just said about SEs and grief and see if it's a bit like that.

  • WrightKnight

    WrightKnight

    #33683763 - 5 months ago

    You mean because she might be backseat-driving in Ruby's head?  I could see that, getting her back as a by-product solely because of how they're joined.  Then you have Ozpin not able to do it again because magic's gone (the extra effort in re-creating Pyrrha's body accidentally), AND if Pyrrha dies again, she's gone for good.

  • NickPotterfi

    NickPotterfi

    #33683766 - 5 months ago

    In reply to WrightKnight Hopefully she doesn't die again.

  • user-572df514355fe

    user-572df514355fe

    #33683770 - 5 months ago

    In reply to NickPotterfi Agreed, once was more then enough for us thank you very much!  triumph

  • NickPotterfi

    NickPotterfi

    #33683771 - 5 months ago

    In reply to user-572df514355fe If they don't bring her back. I might end up reanacting the Christmas bonus scene from Christmas Vacation.

  • user-572df514355fe

    user-572df514355fe

    #33683774 - 5 months ago

    In reply to NickPotterfi Never really saw that to be honest so i have no clue what you're talking about.

  • NickPotterfi

    NickPotterfi

    #33683780 - 5 months ago

    In reply to user-572df514355fe Okay.

  • lewdadmiral

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    #33683854 - 5 months ago

    In reply to acw28


    I'm actually a fan of a total resurrection, no corruption, but at the cost of all her memories.  This would be cute in the sense of Jaune would have to first become an above average Hunter first in order to even get Pyrrha back, and then the roles would be reversed.  He would have to win her heart again and then become her teacher as she was his.  It would also play into the Pyrrhic victory theme as well. 

  • WrightKnight

    WrightKnight

    #33683873 - 5 months ago

    In reply to lewdadmiral

    She's already fulfilled the Pyrrhic Victory crap, and that was done when she killed Penny.

  • revanninja

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    #33683876 - 5 months ago

    In reply to WrightKnight

    Does that really cover that though?

    Because Pyrrha was tricked on that and it wasnt her intent to kill Penny or do any of that.

    I am actually thinking the reason why the Blast back was so strong was because 

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    She was seeing this and was judging her attack strength based on what she thought was there.

    And because it wasnt the wave was too strong.


    So I dont think it was Pyrrha hitting Pyrrhic Victory with that simply because I am not sure Pyrrha was going for a win with that move she was countering a huge attack in her mind.


    And of course the Tower isnt a Pyrrhic Victory because Pyrrha just loses entirely on that and has no win to speak of.

  • HunterBlaine

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    #33683878 - 5 months ago

    In reply to revanninja


    Yeah that scene has always seemed odd to me. I mean, knocking the swords away i get, but how did they wrap around Penny so perfectly as to cut her into pieces?

  • revanninja

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    #33683879 - 5 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    Well that is actually easy.

    They crisscrossed. See the Blade come from her backpack which it stands to reason so do the spools so when Pyrrha knocked them back they crossed over Penny and got tangled.

    That is the basic idea I work with anyway.

  • HunterBlaine

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    #33683880 - 5 months ago

    In reply to revanninja


    That DOES make sense, now that you put it that way. 

  • WrightKnight

    WrightKnight

    #33683881 - 5 months ago

    In reply to revanninja

    She still won, whether she meant to or not.

  • HunterBlaine

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    #33683882 - 5 months ago

    In reply to revanninja


    Hang on, i thought of something else. Why didn't Penny command them to stop once they started wrapping around her?

  • revanninja

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    #33683884 - 5 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    Happened too fast or the wave damages her ability to do it she does grasp her chest like she is in pain.

    In reply to WrightKnight

    Yeah but I don' think it works just because she won as it was a rigged fight.

    There is a trope where the villain loses but wins but I cant recall nor look it up right now

    From my phone 

  • WrightKnight

    WrightKnight

    #33683896 - 5 months ago

    In reply to revanninja

    The trope you might be referring to is Xanatos Gambit, but the thing that prevents this from being that is that Emerald cannot control how someone reacts to her illusions, nor can she make them rationalize them.  It's entirely possible that Pyrrha could have reacted in a different way.

  • AAGGRESSS

    AAGGRESSS

    #33683912 - 5 months ago

    In reply to WrightKnight One good thing bout this thread is you guys are all (mostly) exelent at analysis and debate. I have been gleaming a lot of writing tips and ideas from here that I plan to use in my own work. If you have Deviantart, contact me and I will credit you guys.

    The real phyric victory here is RT themselves. They got exactly what they wanted and are telling a far more traumatic and adult story, but they way they went about it has left numerous fans sour and devided and their every attempt to joke about it or laugh off the decision just makes them look like ninnies.

  • AAGGRESSS

    AAGGRESSS

    #33683915 - 5 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    In reply to revanninja



    Hang on, i thought of something else. Why didn't Penny command them to stop once they started wrapping around her?

    Some fans actually theorized that the EMP pulse Pyrrha accidentally put out was what killed her and she was rapidly shutting down at that point. Her being sliced up was just adding injury to insult. That is again presuming she was "killed" In any meaningful way (AI birtches!) And cant just be loaded from a backup save file, or microbeamed to another computer or body...or Rubys smart phone. Or into the body of a robotic wind up toy that Ruby will find...


    Or worse into a skyscraper sized giant fighting robot that will then act exactly as cute and exciteable...

  • revanninja

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    #33683927 - 5 months ago

    In reply to WrightKnight

    No it's not that one.

    I disagree because pyrrha wasn't in her right mind due to emerald.

    Also em may have more influence then we realize but it' hard to get across properly after the aura issue I am keeping in mind they may not things across perfectly.


    Since her semblance is so unknown and only what we can figure out which may be mistaken so I am not willing to say it's one thing until we get more concrete info.

    Not knocking you to be clear


    From my phone