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RWBY Volume 5: In-Depth Discussion/Speculation/Spoilers (The Spark)

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  • Bumblebee4life

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    #33620932 - 5 months ago

    In reply to FettucCR

    I do acknowledge the show has flaws however every show has flaws even batman the animated series FMA brotherhood and stranger things.  



  • FettucCR

    FettucCR

    #33621059 - 5 months ago

    In reply to Bumblebee4life

    Of course, I do understand that. There is no thing as a perfect show. However, RWBY is more flawed than any of those shows, and in these forums those flaws have been pointed out; some of them pretty serious. Thing is, I've quit watching other shows with less grave problems than RWBY. Just as I've stopped playing games with way less problems than Fallout. Why, I do not know. 

  • revanninja

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    #33621072 - 5 months ago

    In reply to FettucCR

    Honestly a LOT of the flaws are over blown or they are people trying to judge RWBY in something it was never suppose to be judge as.

    Originally it was going to be like RvB short sweet little clips but then they realized it doesnt work that well and hence things changed. It has problems yes but not as many as people make it out to be.

    Or they are stuff in another show doing the same thing would get a pass on but for RWBY its picked apart.

  • HunterBlaine

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    #33621079 - 5 months ago

    In reply to revanninja

    You mean how Game Of Thrones kinda gets a pass from most of its fanbase for divided storyline structure but Vol 4 got torn to bits left and right? (Myself included I know.)

  • revanninja

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    #33621093 - 5 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    Not having seen game of thrones I am going to say maybe.


  • HunterBlaine

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    #33621098 - 5 months ago

    Well i think there was....literally 6-7 storylines going on in one season of GOT at one point.

  • revanninja

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    #33621104 - 5 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    I will take your word on it.

    I just keep seeing people be overly critical on RWBY or focusing on one idea that saying well since they didnt do this clearly they arent good.

    Raven and her being a mother is one hot topic I have seen lately as an example

  • HunterBlaine

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    #33621107 - 5 months ago

    In reply to revanninja

    Jury is still out on Raven far as im concerned. Sure, if you go by first impressions shes just one step below Cinder/Salem to me, but this is what 18 years after she had to leave, which might not have been her choice to begin with for all we know.

  • revanninja

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    #33621115 - 5 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    No its pretty clear she choose to leave based on what Qrow acts like.

    And Tai.

    Raven has drive said drive forced her away.

    Its really clear from several points Raven for whatever reason choose this.


    People just keep trying to make the evil mastermind Ozpin thing and while Oz isnt a perfect person he so far hasnt been shown to be evil 

  • FettucCR

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    #33621116 - 5 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    They still have a lot to explain in order to understand Raven and her story. Why she did what she did is the key, of course. Until then it will be only a loose end that will drive the fans mad. Yang's encounter with her, for example. Was it a dream or what?


    In reply to revanninja

    There is stuff some people do blow over, but there are other, like the end of Vol3, that is messy, to say the least. I do believe one has to be fair: the show has flaws, but also virtues. If you focus on only one aspect, you will get a distorted vision of it.

  • revanninja

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    #33621121 - 5 months ago

    In reply to FettucCR

    Dont get me wrong there is 100% flaws in the show 

    From looking around its just a lot of the flaws are over blown or distorted because they are taken out of context.

    Or people Plain forget the context.

  • HunterBlaine

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    #33621123 - 5 months ago

    In reply to revanninja


    In other words 90% of the complaints levels at Jaune?

  • revanninja

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    #33621130 - 5 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    Heavily Jaune yes but also other characters

    For example I saw people discussing Weiss didnt talk about her racism with anyone like it was an actual point.

    The people who are telling her she is being racist are her team and its really clear she doesnt have a good relationship with her family and they are the ones being accused of it in the first place so of course she really doesnt talk to anyone she doesnt have anyone to do that with.


    Its stuff like that where people think oh they should do this or that and kind of ignore the context or background of the characters.

  • HunterBlaine

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    #33621132 - 5 months ago

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    Now ive been a bit hard on Sun, but i saw a few people saying flat out that him following Blake like he did makes him no better than Adam and that Sun is 'obssesed' with Blake just like he is.


    Their whole argument was 'If Sun wasnt voiced by one of the most loved people at that company and acted a bit more like an asshole instead of being comic relief fans would despise him' 

  • tin-foilhat

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    #33621135 - 5 months ago

    In reply to revanninj


    Eh, as much as I like RWBY it is a pretty flawed show when compared to the works of other Western animation but really, I think that's because there isn't anything else like. It's a huge and ambitious story that encompasses visual, written, epic, action and multiple narrative storytelling elements that doesn't really fit any established method of formula of fiction seen before. Rather, it takes bits and pieces from what exists to tell its own story that they think will be interesting and meaningful.


    Does it always work? No, a lot of RWBY would need more time and effort for it to come out looking more professional and polished, but I think that would actually work on the show's disfavor. RWBY has so much heart and a lot of people say what they admire most about it is the passion put into it and if it tried to conform to a more traditional formula you see in movies, television, books, or video games to look like a more cohesive work I think that would take away from what makes RWBY, well, RWBY. So much of RWBY is so inspiring, passionate, and has genuine moments of jaw dropping and heartwarming of story. It's a mess, sure, but I'd rather have this complicated and inspirational mess than something with a ton of story ideas and potential that gets swept under the rug for a more compromised vision that limits itself to appeal to a wider audience or rip-off the success of a formula that's been done before. 


    Which is funny, because every says that's all RWBY really is. Cliches done before. But that's not the way I see it. And I'm saying this as a fan of the show, not a critic. It's trying to do its own thing with mix success, but if you keep comparing it to things that inspired it instead of recognizing it for its own merit it will always come up short. It's something new and it's a mistake to judge it by the old. It's different, and if that means if you find it inferior than that's your loss.


  • revanninja

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    #33621140 - 5 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    Yeah a lot of the sun hate is stupid especially since it wasnt 6 to 8 months like was originally told. Just some time.

    I am STRONGLY of the opinion that vol 4 is not happening at the same time and instead is occuring at slightly different times.

  • revanninja

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    #33621141 - 5 months ago

    In reply to tin-foilhat

    I disagree with you on your view point. Its not as flawed as you think it is. 

  • HunterBlaine

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    #33621142 - 5 months ago

    In reply to revanninja

    It really did bug me that they literally said if Michael wasn't behind the voice that Sun would get it worse than he already does.

    I mean im sure theres SOME people like that out there but...eh.

  • revanninja

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    #33621145 - 5 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    The stupid thing is Michael bring VA to the table but its really the script that makes Sun be who he is.

    VAs may give depth and emotion to characters but they are limited by what is in the script.

    While ad libbing is a thing you cant do it for the whole script and it will only stay in if the writers think its good.


  • tin-foilhat

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    #33621148 - 5 months ago

    In reply to revanninja


    Revan, how the hell do you know how flawed I think the show is? Just tell me what is my overall opinion since you know so much.


  • revanninja

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    #33621151 - 5 months ago

    In reply to tin-foilhat

    Eh, as much as I like RWBY it is a pretty flawed show


    Your quote right there.

    You say that and I dont think its a "Pretty" Flawed show. This my statement disagreeing with what you said.



  • Bumblebee4life

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    #33621154 - 5 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

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    In reply to revanninja

    I agree with @revan... this show gets too much negativity. Remember when you could just enjoy something without people saying "this is objectively bad despite the fact there is no such thing as an objectively bad movie game show book or comic."  

  • revanninja

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    #33621158 - 5 months ago

    In reply to Bumblebee4life

    There are flaws dont get me wrong but RWBY it seems gets thrown under the bus way too much.

    I saw some people talking about rebooting the series and in their talks completely missing the point the reason why the animation department has tripled in size is because people LIKE RWBY.

    It was filled with so much BS.


    Like them saying "yeah RvB doesnt get Halo lore right either" and I am like since when is RvB trying to be Halo? They play in the world sure but its always been loose kind of their own thing and not really Halo.

  • Leonthekillr

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    #33621164 - 5 months ago

    In reply to revanninja


    Exactly, it's simple stupid how much people distort things and make it seem like the show has more flaws then it actually does, or simply over blows the flaws it does have to make them seem bigger deals then they are. It's annoying to no end, and shows how much people will nit pick a series just to find more reason to hate it, why? Because it's popular! It's just like with other popular things, how people will twist things up out of nothing, or make certain stuff sound like they mean more then they actually do, simply because they want to make more out of their own idea/view of the stuff. Popular things always either get wrongful hate, or overhyped love which both will turn off some people from it.


    Now with RvB, the only reason I think people do that, is because in season one they did seem to establish that it takes place in the same universe. Though, that was literally in the first episode, when they had nothing planned so it's not really a good reason to think they'd stand by Halo Lore with the series, like some dumb complains think it should be. 


    On RvB though, I love how much it takes it's time with each plot, and I really think RWBY should of given the same treatment to what it put into volume 4. They rushed things, and sadly, that didn't go so well in the end, it all should of been stretched out into fitting into either 2 volumes, or 1 and a half, with volume 4's ending being the half way point for volume 5. That way, things could of been better, but hey at least they admitted to it being a mess and promised volume 5 will be better.

  • HunterBlaine

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    #33621167 - 5 months ago

    In reply to revanninja


    I HAVE heard people calling for a reboot to get the lore put in early so Vol 4 the next time around wouldnt have to be a 'Collosal bore fest' and 'Sitting around at home or walking through the woods simulator'  to use their words.