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  • HunterBlaine

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    #33621098 - 11 months ago

    Well i think there was....literally 6-7 storylines going on in one season of GOT at one point.

  • revanninja

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    #33621104 - 11 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    I will take your word on it.

    I just keep seeing people be overly critical on RWBY or focusing on one idea that saying well since they didnt do this clearly they arent good.

    Raven and her being a mother is one hot topic I have seen lately as an example

  • HunterBlaine

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    #33621107 - 11 months ago

    In reply to revanninja

    Jury is still out on Raven far as im concerned. Sure, if you go by first impressions shes just one step below Cinder/Salem to me, but this is what 18 years after she had to leave, which might not have been her choice to begin with for all we know.

  • revanninja

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    #33621115 - 11 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    No its pretty clear she choose to leave based on what Qrow acts like.

    And Tai.

    Raven has drive said drive forced her away.

    Its really clear from several points Raven for whatever reason choose this.


    People just keep trying to make the evil mastermind Ozpin thing and while Oz isnt a perfect person he so far hasnt been shown to be evil 

  • FettucCR

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    #33621116 - 11 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    They still have a lot to explain in order to understand Raven and her story. Why she did what she did is the key, of course. Until then it will be only a loose end that will drive the fans mad. Yang's encounter with her, for example. Was it a dream or what?


    In reply to revanninja

    There is stuff some people do blow over, but there are other, like the end of Vol3, that is messy, to say the least. I do believe one has to be fair: the show has flaws, but also virtues. If you focus on only one aspect, you will get a distorted vision of it.

  • revanninja

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    #33621121 - 11 months ago

    In reply to FettucCR

    Dont get me wrong there is 100% flaws in the show 

    From looking around its just a lot of the flaws are over blown or distorted because they are taken out of context.

    Or people Plain forget the context.

  • HunterBlaine

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    #33621123 - 11 months ago

    In reply to revanninja


    In other words 90% of the complaints levels at Jaune?

  • revanninja

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    #33621130 - 11 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    Heavily Jaune yes but also other characters

    For example I saw people discussing Weiss didnt talk about her racism with anyone like it was an actual point.

    The people who are telling her she is being racist are her team and its really clear she doesnt have a good relationship with her family and they are the ones being accused of it in the first place so of course she really doesnt talk to anyone she doesnt have anyone to do that with.


    Its stuff like that where people think oh they should do this or that and kind of ignore the context or background of the characters.

  • HunterBlaine

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    #33621132 - 11 months ago

    In reply to revanninja


    Now ive been a bit hard on Sun, but i saw a few people saying flat out that him following Blake like he did makes him no better than Adam and that Sun is 'obssesed' with Blake just like he is.


    Their whole argument was 'If Sun wasnt voiced by one of the most loved people at that company and acted a bit more like an asshole instead of being comic relief fans would despise him' 

  • tin-foilhat

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    #33621135 - 11 months ago

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    Eh, as much as I like RWBY it is a pretty flawed show when compared to the works of other Western animation but really, I think that's because there isn't anything else like. It's a huge and ambitious story that encompasses visual, written, epic, action and multiple narrative storytelling elements that doesn't really fit any established method of formula of fiction seen before. Rather, it takes bits and pieces from what exists to tell its own story that they think will be interesting and meaningful.


    Does it always work? No, a lot of RWBY would need more time and effort for it to come out looking more professional and polished, but I think that would actually work on the show's disfavor. RWBY has so much heart and a lot of people say what they admire most about it is the passion put into it and if it tried to conform to a more traditional formula you see in movies, television, books, or video games to look like a more cohesive work I think that would take away from what makes RWBY, well, RWBY. So much of RWBY is so inspiring, passionate, and has genuine moments of jaw dropping and heartwarming of story. It's a mess, sure, but I'd rather have this complicated and inspirational mess than something with a ton of story ideas and potential that gets swept under the rug for a more compromised vision that limits itself to appeal to a wider audience or rip-off the success of a formula that's been done before. 


    Which is funny, because every says that's all RWBY really is. Cliches done before. But that's not the way I see it. And I'm saying this as a fan of the show, not a critic. It's trying to do its own thing with mix success, but if you keep comparing it to things that inspired it instead of recognizing it for its own merit it will always come up short. It's something new and it's a mistake to judge it by the old. It's different, and if that means if you find it inferior than that's your loss.


  • revanninja

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    #33621140 - 11 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    Yeah a lot of the sun hate is stupid especially since it wasnt 6 to 8 months like was originally told. Just some time.

    I am STRONGLY of the opinion that vol 4 is not happening at the same time and instead is occuring at slightly different times.

  • revanninja

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    #33621141 - 11 months ago

    In reply to tin-foilhat

    I disagree with you on your view point. Its not as flawed as you think it is. 

  • HunterBlaine

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    #33621142 - 11 months ago

    In reply to revanninja

    It really did bug me that they literally said if Michael wasn't behind the voice that Sun would get it worse than he already does.

    I mean im sure theres SOME people like that out there but...eh.

  • revanninja

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    #33621145 - 11 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    The stupid thing is Michael bring VA to the table but its really the script that makes Sun be who he is.

    VAs may give depth and emotion to characters but they are limited by what is in the script.

    While ad libbing is a thing you cant do it for the whole script and it will only stay in if the writers think its good.


  • tin-foilhat

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    #33621148 - 11 months ago

    In reply to revanninja


    Revan, how the hell do you know how flawed I think the show is? Just tell me what is my overall opinion since you know so much.


  • revanninja

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    #33621151 - 11 months ago

    In reply to tin-foilhat

    Eh, as much as I like RWBY it is a pretty flawed show


    Your quote right there.

    You say that and I dont think its a "Pretty" Flawed show. This my statement disagreeing with what you said.



  • Bumblebee4life

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    #33621154 - 11 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

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    In reply to revanninja

    I agree with @revan... this show gets too much negativity. Remember when you could just enjoy something without people saying "this is objectively bad despite the fact there is no such thing as an objectively bad movie game show book or comic."  

  • revanninja

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    #33621158 - 11 months ago

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    There are flaws dont get me wrong but RWBY it seems gets thrown under the bus way too much.

    I saw some people talking about rebooting the series and in their talks completely missing the point the reason why the animation department has tripled in size is because people LIKE RWBY.

    It was filled with so much BS.


    Like them saying "yeah RvB doesnt get Halo lore right either" and I am like since when is RvB trying to be Halo? They play in the world sure but its always been loose kind of their own thing and not really Halo.

  • Leonthekillr

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    #33621164 - 11 months ago

    In reply to revanninja


    Exactly, it's simple stupid how much people distort things and make it seem like the show has more flaws then it actually does, or simply over blows the flaws it does have to make them seem bigger deals then they are. It's annoying to no end, and shows how much people will nit pick a series just to find more reason to hate it, why? Because it's popular! It's just like with other popular things, how people will twist things up out of nothing, or make certain stuff sound like they mean more then they actually do, simply because they want to make more out of their own idea/view of the stuff. Popular things always either get wrongful hate, or overhyped love which both will turn off some people from it.


    Now with RvB, the only reason I think people do that, is because in season one they did seem to establish that it takes place in the same universe. Though, that was literally in the first episode, when they had nothing planned so it's not really a good reason to think they'd stand by Halo Lore with the series, like some dumb complains think it should be. 


    On RvB though, I love how much it takes it's time with each plot, and I really think RWBY should of given the same treatment to what it put into volume 4. They rushed things, and sadly, that didn't go so well in the end, it all should of been stretched out into fitting into either 2 volumes, or 1 and a half, with volume 4's ending being the half way point for volume 5. That way, things could of been better, but hey at least they admitted to it being a mess and promised volume 5 will be better.

  • HunterBlaine

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    #33621167 - 11 months ago

    In reply to revanninja


    I HAVE heard people calling for a reboot to get the lore put in early so Vol 4 the next time around wouldnt have to be a 'Collosal bore fest' and 'Sitting around at home or walking through the woods simulator'  to use their words.

  • revanninja

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    #33621171 - 11 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    I think rebooting it at this point would be a MASSIVE waste.

    Because we know all those points and I cant help but feel a reboot would loose the charm RWBY does have.

    Vol 4 wasnt the best but I think it was just one of those situation where they really didnt have a choice in the matter and it was something they had to grit through.

    I think vol 5 will be a LOT better and they wont repeat the same mistakes.

    In reply to Leonthekillr

    Agreed they had some issues and some of those are things they didnt expect like Monty passing and the move.

    Some of it is I think they had a different pacing method in mind when they started and when they started making it they realized no that doesnt work.

    I have done this MANY MANY times with Wood working where I start a project and get to a point realizing what I thought was a nice easy simple thing is REALLY not.

    And I think more or less the same thing happened here.

  • HunterBlaine

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    #33621179 - 11 months ago

    In reply to revanninja


    I will say your giving them the benfit of the doubt better than i can at this stage

  • tin-foilhat

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    #33621193 - 11 months ago

    In reply to revanninja


    It's funny because you talk about what fans "take out of context and exaggerate" when you're taking what I said out of context.



    I said it's a pretty flawed show WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO OTHER WORKS OF WESTERN ANIMATION BECAUSE RWBY doesn't follow any established formula of Western animation which there are a LOT of. Saturday morning cartoons, animated films, episodic adventures, act. 



    RWBY is its own thing, and people thinking it should follow an established formula is the problem. There are certain elements that I think are weak with its writing they could do better in and can improve on. Like Jaune. He doesn't work as an audience surrogate asking questions he should already have basic knowledge, like what Aura is. Aura is so pivotal to the operations of Huntsmen, who are essential to the very survival of humanity, that I and many others find that little bit of lore should be common knowledge. 

    Saying you don't know what Aura is in RWBY is like saying you don't know what gunpowder is IRL if you live in America. It makes it look like you never opened a book or were locked in a Christian cult village your whole life. Jaune asking that was for the audience's benefit, sure, but the way he asked it didn't work for the audience. Was the fanbase wrong? Well, it scaled back a bit of Jaune's original purpose to be the "audience surrogate asking questions and getting answers for the viewers at home." Isn't that why we got the world of Remnant to supply answers for questions Jaune wasn't asking anymore because no one liked that he did that?


     

    Yes, Jaune asking those questions didn't work, because even if he is the audience surrogate there are BASIC THINGS a character growing up in the world should know, because if he doesn't he comes off as a tool and an idiot and we're supposed to identify with me? You're saying the Everyman is as smart IRL as this loser is in his world. Whoa, what a way to endear yourself and your characters to your audience CRWBY, you missed the point of the Everyman. He's meant to be more than an idiot stand in, he has to be sympathetic, relatable, and likable enough so he can be easy to follow that way the audience doesn't find him a difficult companion to keep the audience company as we journey through the story together. 



    By taking away this "noob asking questions" of Jaune's character we got the World of Remnant, which has yielded some of the most innovative elements of the RWBY show and franchise. They didn't have to take Jaune's screen time involving asking dumbass questions, instead it allowed them to work with the elements that actually MAKE him an audience surrogate we route for and identify with as he works alongside the heroes. His efforts for self-improvement hits home for a lot of people because who doesn't feel like that loser who wants to be better sometimes? His wanting to see the world get better is the same the audience's wanting to see the World of Remnant be freed from its darkness and hopefully be a happier place at some point.  

    Just because I think there are elements of the show's writing that need improving doesn't mean I think the show is flawed. I won't call it a masterpiece, but I can say I see it as something that is finding its footing more and more season after season thus getting better.



    Thus why you shouldn't compare it to the standard of other shows because if you find it lacking that's something that's based on your perception of what the show SHOULD be and not what it IS.

  • revanninja

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    #33621195 - 11 months ago

    In reply to HunterBlaine

    Part of that is because I have seen shows people dump on get a LOT better later after they fix stuff. Same goes for Books and Comics.

    Its also a history in reading that lets me see potential in vol 4 plot lines .

    Vol 4 wasnt as good i will fully admit but I am seeing hearing and looking at enough things to say not all of it was stuff they could help.

    They wrote themselves into a corner with vol 3 and they had to uncorner themselves.

  • revanninja

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    #33621202 - 11 months ago

    In reply to tin-foilhat

    Look its clear you are trying to pick a fight with me and have been for awhile now. i am not biting your bait  You did this in the Shipping thread you have done it in other places and quite frankly you are missing the point you just made a BUNCH of assumpations for example with jaune we dont know what the basic level of knowing what Aura is that is just what people THINK not what IS.

    There is a difference.