agreed, I have no idea who's buying the Wii U. Wii brought a bunch of casual gamers, they're not gonna buy the Wii U. "hard core gamers" are just gonna wait for the next Xbox/PlayStation. Wii U is cool, it looks awesome, great bit of technology, but i can't see it really working well. it's a massive money investment with so many controller types and add-ons and such. it's too strange, too different
Wii brought a bunch of casual gamers, they're not gonna buy the Wii U
Why won't they?
"hard core gamers" are just gonna wait for the next Xbox/PlayStation.
Why is it that any Nintendo gamer is looked at now as not "hardcore"? I have been playing Nintendo since the damn NES, does that make me "hardcore"? Do I have an XBox 360 as well? Yeah, because the Wii lost real support from devs in 2008. But you know what, I will keep coming back to Nintendo, because they are the company that actually tries to change the market up by adding in cool new ways to play the games, instead of just thinking that new and improved graphics will repeatedly make gaming better. Here's an idea; why don't companies instead of focusing on purely graphics, focus on gameplay. Some of the most fun I've ever had playing any game has been on Super Mario games. I don't care that they're not online, that they're not M rated, or that they don't have HD graphics, I just care that they are fun as hell to play and in the end, that's all I'm looking for.
If being a "hardcore" gamer has become being a Microsoft fanboy or Sony fanboy, then I weep for the future generation of gaming. I grew up a Nintendo gamer, because they revolutionized gaming more times than anyone can count. My KIDS will know Nintendo gaming. Hell, my 8 year old daughter plays Super Mario on my NES I STILL have set up in the living room. If THAT doesn't make you a hardcore gamer, then I don't know what does.
Wii U is cool, it looks awesome, great bit of technology, but i can't see it really working well. it's a massive money investment with so many controller types and add-ons and such. it's too strange, too different
Hang on a minute here, so spending say $400 on a Nintendo system, maybe an extra hundred for a second gamepad (because the system only supports 2, which is moot, because it's been confirmed that no release titles will support 2 gamepads), is better than spending $600-$700 for a "New XBox or Playstation" PLUS what you're spending on controllers, is better? Nintendo tries to make their consoles affordable. The other two simply release a more powerful graphically increased system, and expect people to shell out hundreds upon hundreds of dollars for it.
My opinion on the WiiU? I think Nintendo is going to once again change gaming, and that if they keep the support from third party devs that they have, then i think even going into the release of the next XBox and Playstation, that they will still be one of the top contenders for the next gen.
no idea where you're getting 600-700 as price points for next gen systems, maybe the new PS, but Microsoft has said they're aiming to keep price down around 300-400 like they did when the xbox came out. I bought the Wii after having my Gamecube but I found myself continually shelling out more and more money for the Wii. when I bought my Xbox a few years ago, I paid for it and that's it, no more controllers or add-ons
we've had the debate over hardcore gamers time and time again in this thread and others, i'm just referring to what is gererally accepted as hardcore gamers. and for the longest damn time i was a nintendo fanboy, but then nintendo forgot about its fans, just churned out disappointing shovelware after disappointing shovelware. one good game a year or so, often just rehashes of old games. skyward sword is a phenomenal game, but how long did we wait, how many times was it delayed? it's the one game i've bought for wii in the past few years.
I don't know what's going to happen and I don't pretend to. But I won't be buying a Wii U and none of my friends are. In fact, one of the biggest Nintendo fanboys I know just bought a 360 - he had every Nintendo system up to this point. I know a LOT of people who bought the Wii, none of them are buying the Wii U. Some aren't buying another system, some are going with the Xbox 720
Hang on a second, so you NEVER bought another controller for your 360... NEVER bought a play and charge kit or batteries? NEVER bought another mic? NEVER bought another hard drive? Oh, also, I see that you are have a Gold Live account. So you don't play for live either? Come on... I fail to see how you haven't shelled out anything more than just the console. The only difference with the Wii was because the controller was in 2 separate parts. The Wiimote and the Nunchuk, as opposed to the 360 controller and the PS3 controller.
While yes, me saying $600-$700 was excessive, the first release of the 360 was priced at $299 and $399, and later a new version was released at $479. The Wii was simple. It launched at $279. I remember because where I live, I paid exactly $318 for it. But the Playstation, on the other hand, was $499 and $599 for the different models. Now past experiences will tell me, for a new XBox, I will be paying at least $400 for a 720 which to be honest, will be the same rehashed games, just in higher definition, with better graphics, blah blah blah.
While, buying the WiiU, I will have the tablet controller to have playing games like Arkham Asylun: Armored Edition completely different,
While I see where you are coming from with the lack of support on the Wii, and to be honest, I can completely understand your viewpoint on it, I see it a totally different way.
Nintendo released the Wii catering to quote unquote "casual gamers" with all their party games (which by the way, I had more fun playing, than I did playing Halo 3), in 2006. 2008 was when things were bad, and barely any games were coming out except for maybe Conduit, or a new CoD but scaled down for the Wii. The way I look at it, Instead of Nintendo focusing on the Wii any longer, when they new that it had failed, they immediately went back to the drawing board, to come up with a new way to play games.
The ONLY reason that the WiiU would fail, is because of stupid outlooks like yours, saying "It'll suck, because the Wii sucked". Personally, I don't care whether you are getting one, what does bother me, is when you say that no one will be buying the Wii U, because I know a shitload of people who will be. Myself included. I don't pretend to see what will happen, so I just will wait and see, but I can predict, that the WiiU will revolutionize gaming.
If you want ANY proof of this, take a look at Microsoft's E3 presentation this year. A year after Nintendo's last year, which announced the Wii U, and the general info around using a tablet controller for gaming.
I would also like to issue an apology to everyone for having actually made several posts that were too damn long.
Batjeff, I admire that fact that you're staying positive, but we really don't know much yet, and you're filling in the rest with your own fanboy...ness. Believe me, I went through a whole 'defending the Wii U' phase last year. I'm not looking for a fight, and perhaps not reading all of your post has left me with a skewed view of what you are saying (and if it is I apologize). All I'm saying is don't get so heated about something that hasn't even come out yet. At least stop writing essays that I don't have time to read.
And in the end, how many really good games are gonna come out for Wii U that we know of? ...The next smash bros (which I'm still skeptical about)(and won't be out for at least 3 or 4 years at best) Pikmin 3. Whatever new mario bros thing I guess. But even those are getting old. Fuck it, if it doesn't have games I want I'm not shelling out the money for it. End of story.
i'm not gonna argue anymore, but i will answer your questions: I bought 1 play and charge kit for my 360. had to wait for 3rd party to come out for rechargers for the wii and they're all inferior. wiimotes use batteries, dunno what you're getting at there. no, never bought a mic for the 360 or wii. never bought another hard drive either. shelled out the same money for each system, and wiimotes cost about as much as a 360 controller (slightly more, but w/e). but then wii hit me up for nunchucks and then came back at me for motion plus and would have come at me for GCN controllers if i hadn't already had them and also put out those classic controllers which i thankfully ignored. oh, and there's that wii board that's on my floor. nintendo kept having me shell out for hardware, just kept buying games for the 360, no more hardware.
Also, I appologize if I am coming off as a fanboy... believe me, that is the LAST thing I want to be seen as. I think the main reason that I am hoping that the WiiU does so well, is because it is my last ditch effort to continue my support with Nintendo. They failed miserably with the Wii (yes, I can admit it), and I hope that they actually learned something, and take that into changes with the WiiU, instead of have it be another money waster.
So, I think what you said is correct, but what i'm also getting is that the core dev team of the three previous Smash games (HAL laboratories) is not on this game, but got replaced with Namco Bandai. But the series creator will still be in charge.
I haven't played it. But the reviewers (both mainstream and indy alike) shat on it pretty damn bad. The story and character development was the main target, but I think I remember people claiming that the Ninja Gaiden-esque gameplay did not work well alongside the clasic Prime control scheme