I'm just going on the fact that 23 weeks is about the earliest a foetus can survive at the moment. That's what the law here stands at currently and I don't really see any reason to change that. And for the record, I have seen a 23 week old foetus.
I think abortion is pretty much fair game up until around 10 weeks (2 and a half months) after conception; b/c 10 weeks after conception the baby is so fully formed already that it has even developed fingerprints. Furthermore; I think 10 weeks is a long enough period of time for a couple or woman to decide if she wants to keep the baby or not. That's just what I think...
As far as the embryos go, one must remember that they subsist on their own for first two weeks of a pregnancy. While we may or may not consider an embryo to be human; we must realize that it is a distinct life, form the mother, as early as it is considered a zygote.
While I may be in the Pro-Life camp, I'm not opposed to the woman's right to choose to have a baby or not; I just think that the choice is made when they choose to engage in sex. In that, the primary purpose of sex is to procreate; any other reasoning for sexual intercourse is secondary or tertiary. This is why I consider myself to be against abortion as it allows an individual to rid themsleves of the main consequence of sex, procreation. However, since a victim of rape didn't choose to have sex; I am perfectly fine allowing them to get an abortion, though I would like to see a time limit on this.
Roe created what I think is a very useable standard.
The case was fundamentally about a contest between two valid interests.
1. Is the right inherent under the 14th amendment to have "liberty." Within that right, many decisions have recognized there is some right to reproductive freedom.
2. the governments interest in protecting prenatal life.
If you read the decsiion, the court goes through the other attacks on abortion and discards them one by one, leaving only the interest in protecting pre-natal life.
What the court decided was that
in the first trimester, (12 weeks) a persons right to control their reproduction always supersedes the governments interest in protecting prenatal life.
In the second trimester states may regulate abortion but not prohibit it entirely.
In the third trimester Abortion may be all but prohibited, becasue by 24 weeks a fetus is more or less viable, it has about a 50% chance of surviving with good medical care. The only exceptions required are for the health of the mother.
Well, that's specifically just Roe, later decisions changed it to other standards. The current standard is any law that imposes an "undue burden" on that liberty is unconstitutional.
The standard is kind of vague, but it basically has been interpreted to mean that laws may regulate abortion, but if their goal is to prohibit it through regulation, they are out.
I do not beleive in abortion, I say life isn't a game you can't just erase what you've done, in other words........deal with the consequences of having sex. Now if you are pregnant out of rape, I don't know what to say. I would hate to find out i'm here out of rape, so i'm not going to get into that, however, unlike the government I understand that there are circumstances; but without any I say not to get one......Bottom line i think abortion is MURDER.
Although I have a strong relationship with my mother, we do not discuss things like this....... My opinion was based on my own knowledge. The main reason I beleive this is because I am a strong Christian, and who knows what that child could have scientificly acomplished in his/her lifetime.
knows what that child could have scientificly acomplished in his/her lifetime.
With the odds more likely than not he lives with a prostitute mother in poverty and doesnt accomplish much of anything because he lives in the "ghetto"?
Im sorry, but I hold the value of "Quality of Life" over "Life" itself.
You poor, ignorant fool. Even though you may be right about the odds, no life is worthless. Tell me do you think when Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was worn they knew he was to be of a great significance, or Abraham Lincoln tell me, was he born out of riches? Science even tells us that even the smallest of variations can change everything. Becides even if they we to indeed amount to nothing in their lifetime, we wouldn't know uintill we gave them a chance,
Uh huh. You have to think from a more.. emotionally neutral standpoint. Lets go hypothetically here.
17 year old girl in.. say.. the ghetto of Detroit, has to be a prostitute to support herself, gets pregnant, and since hypothetically abortion is illegal, and hell, lets ban the morning after pill too because some think thats abortion when it only prevents pregnancy - she has the baby. Now that branches off into one of two possibilites.
1) She keeps the baby, has to be a prostitute double time to support them both, so the baby doesn't have a father and rarely has a mother around, and perhaps starves to death eventually. Or she throws the baby in the trash. Doesnt have much of a chance to grow up and influence the world.
2) She gives the baby up for adoption, but since the chance of adoption isnt that good for whatever reason, the baby's raised in foster care all their life, putting a strain on our tax dollars, because shes not the only one, and with no wealthy parents to put them through college, they have to be really lucky and get a scholarship to get a higher education, and so on.
The probability is very low when you consider all the possibiltes - that these bodies of cells which can become human in time, but aren't human yet, will change the world.
Prostitutes arn't the only ones who abort a pregnancy....although i think they should have tried to amount to something more respectible in their lifes, I understand why they would need an abortion, like I said there are circumstances, but there is a strong amount of fully capable woman who abort merely because they are scared of the pain, or because they wan't to live without any major responsebilities or for other petty reasons.
We cant run around writing loopwholes and making you have to justify it, its very ineffective in reality, as much as I dont like it, abortions are necessary, but you should be able to make up your mind before the Third Trimester.
Here's one thought- i think that if you have an abortion you should have a sterilization operation. If your not responsibile enough to keep the child you created, you don't deserve to create another one.
the main question here is, is life scared? I, personally, don't think so. I mean we kill things every day without even thinking about it. And it's hard to speak about how life is scared to one factor: we're alive! we're speaking from a baised point of view. The only unbaised point of veiw we can get, the veiw of dead people, is a obvoiusly impossible to get so it's impossible to speak from an unbaised point of veiw
Why ever wouldnt you allow abortion? Since different people believe life starts at conception (I dont remember being a single cell, but hey, everyone can believe what they want) but there's no proof, it would be forcing your beliefs onto someone else to say abortion is illegal.
I believe that there's nothing wrong with abortion. The baby is a part of the woman's body, and she is allowed to do whatever she wants with her body. You see, it's only different when the baby has been born, because then the baby is no longer a part of the woman.
I hate how some people thinks it's wrong and disgusting, and that it's, "taking a human life." The baby hasn't begun life yet, it's pretty much in, "pre-life." And while it's still in the mother's womb, it can't really think, or know, so there's really nothing wrong with it.
