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SgtFrosty
#1741   Posted 1 year ago
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Thats pretty clever honestly I could care less about religion. I'm not atheist I just don't follow one set religion. Something has to happen when you die not just cutting to black. I have to much to worry about to focus on religion but I do believe it's a religion......just not a very good one. All religions have there flaws......
Bobomcgraw
Bah Humbug
#1742   Posted 1 year ago
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Seriously people, if you are going to come in here and tell us that atheism is a religion, then you also need to tell us why.
SgtFrosty
#1743   Posted 1 year ago
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I did an you shot back with a comic. I do believe religion is simply a belief and there are people who worship atheism. So I consider atheism a religion.
Bobomcgraw
Bah Humbug
#1744   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to SgtFrosty, #1743:

No, nobody worships atheism.
SgtFrosty
#1745   Posted 1 year ago
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Teaching it worshiping it, it's all the same to me buddy.
Bobomcgraw
Bah Humbug
#1746   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to SgtFrosty, #1745:

Then leave the discussion to people who know better.
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#1747   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to SgtFrosty, #1745:
Teaching it worshiping it, it's all the same to me buddy.
You're going to have one helluva time explaining to a professor that they're "worshipping" elementary statistics.
Bobomcgraw
Bah Humbug
#1748   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Chi_Mangetsu, #1747:

Oh great and powerful adjective, how you make our lives and sentences all the richer.

Post edited 4/22/12 11:56AM
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#1749   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Bobomcgraw, #1748:

Thou shalt not split infinitives lest ye be split thyself. Aaaamen.*

*(sentence fragment; consider revising)
SgtFrosty
#1750   Posted 1 year ago
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Ok so that was bad wording......the entire point of Christianity is to spread the word of god that's what I ment by teaching. Religion I all about what happens when you die, rather you go to heaven or hell or if there is a hevan or hell. So why is it that people that don't believe anything happens and it all cuts to black can't say it's a religion? It's what they believe happens as crazy as it sounds.
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#1751   Posted 1 year ago
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www.telegram.com/article/20120429/NEWS/1042997...
UlfvarrOT
#1752   Posted 1 year ago
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A religion, at its very base, is an explanation of "how." How we got here, how the universe was made, etc. when there is no objective explanation. Honestly, there isn't. One can't prove one way or another (I'm going to keep my beliefs to myself for now. (if you want to know them, just ask, but I've had bad experience in forums with mine.) A religion must also contain faith. Faith means, to me, that even in the face of doubt, you still believe that the way you know is right. If, going by that standard, then it comes down to what the individual believes. If the atheist believes that the Big Bang is it, and he BELIEVES that to be true, then I would say it's a religion. If the atheist says simply "I don't know", then there is none.
Robbin
#1753   Posted 1 year ago
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To me, Atheism is just as much of a religion as NOT collecting stamps is a hobby. It's kind of like calling baldness a hair color.
Bobomcgraw
Bah Humbug
#1754   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to UlfvarrOT, #1752:

Religion seems to try to understand why as well as how.
Science doesn't bother with that one.
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#1755   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Bobomcgraw, #1754:

Care to elaborate on that a bit, messere?
Bobomcgraw
Bah Humbug
#1756   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Chi_Mangetsu, #1755:

Science explores and seeks to explain how things work.
How did the universe become, how does water evaporate, how does gravity work.
If you look at 'why' as being the desire for something to happen, science doesn't bother with that, because that is an entirely subjective idea.

So you have the question, how did the universe get here.
Christians will say God made it, scientists will say they don't know, but they have a few ideas.
That is the how.
Theists will then tell you why, which is the emotional impetus behind the drive to do it.
When I was younger I was told God made the universe because he was lonely.
So loneliness explained the why.

Am I making this clear?
I'm not very good at articulating my thoughts.
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#1757   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Bobomcgraw, #1756:

This is a good step, even though gravitons don't really have proof of their existence. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_general_...

Still, I'd be wary to say something so absolute, otherwise you can easily run into this level of Poeness:
www.bringyou.to/apologetics/p67.htm
Follow-up

Post edited 5/14/12 8:55PM
NaraVara
FORUM MOD
#1758   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Robbin, #1753:

That's so original. Tell me more!
Bobomcgraw
Bah Humbug
#1759   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Chi_Mangetsu, #1757:

You lost me again.
MattDubz
#1760   Posted 11 months ago
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Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#1761   Posted 11 months ago
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MattDubz
#1762   Posted 11 months ago
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Qwisp
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#1763   Posted 11 months ago
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To anyone who may further persue the argument that "atheism is a lack of belief, therefore is nothing" should really consider giving a looking into the basic ideas of deconstructionism.
Bobomcgraw
Bah Humbug
#1764   Posted 11 months ago
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In reply to Qwisp, #1763:

Has anyone used that argument?
Qwisp
Sponsor
#1765   Posted 11 months ago
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In reply to Bobomcgraw, #1764:

Robbin, and it's been said looong before.
Bobomcgraw
Bah Humbug
#1766   Posted 11 months ago
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In reply to Qwisp, #1765:

Do you mean?

In reply to Robbin, #1753:

Qwisp
Sponsor
#1767   Posted 11 months ago
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In reply to Bobomcgraw, #1766:

Indeed. It may have also entered my head through the rantings of reddit, in which case apologies all around.
Robbin
#1768   Posted 11 months ago
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While it is a very common argument, I still tend to look at it that way. I don't think I've ever heard a person explain why it isn't the very same thing as calling not collecting stamp a hobby.

If you're willing to tell me why that argument isn't valid (without just posting a link telling me to "read up",) then I'd be all for it. I'm more than happy to change my view on it, I just haven't been presented a good enough reason to do so yet.
Bobomcgraw
Bah Humbug
#1769   Posted 11 months ago
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In reply to Qwisp, #1767:

"atheism is a lack of belief, therefore is nothing"

It's the part where you said we're saying that it isn't anything that I'm having trouble with.
I don't think anyone has made that claim.

We may have pointed out that atheism is not a religion because it shares none of the practices or general concepts common to religion, but we never said it wasn't something.

It is quite possible that it was pointed out though, that it is an odd practice to give a label to not doing something, that we have a term for lacking belief.
Is there a word that describes someone who does not drink coffee, or does not wear the colour red?
But we have a word for not believing.
And it must be pointed out again that not believing that something exists is not the same as believing it does not exist.
Or the absence of belief in a god is not the same as belief in the absence of a god.


Post edited 6/02/12 4:53PM
Qwisp
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#1770   Posted 11 months ago
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In reply to Robbin, #1768:

You could always actually "read up". It won't hurt you.

In reply to Bobomcgraw, #1769:

I never said you were saying that, and I've made it clear that it may have been a previous entry or another forum fuzzying my brain. And by previous, I mean years ago.

There are in fact a great many un-words, that describe not an activity, but an intentional lack of an activity, such as tee-totalling.
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