Dude's got what? Maybe two years left? Packers didn't do much to help him towards winning another championship so it might be a good idea to head for a more Playoff ready team to serve his last season(s).
Also, throwing bricks at your WR's. Graves may be my favorite coach ever now.
Favre asked McCarthy if he was aware that Cook asked for a trade but McCarthy immediately insisted that would not happen.
Following the conversation, McCarthy told others inside the organization that the talk appeared to have cooled Favre's anger and that Favre, by the end of the discussion, admitted he didn't want to go elsewhere.
Im thinkin yes. Parcells figured him to be a small yardage runner and Barber to be the power runner. I think Julius could really do some damage this year if they let him loose and not be a "robot" as he so proclaimed it
Julius was over coached by Parcells, imo. I also think Parcells played too many mind games with him. Not to mention, he usually did all the work on the drive and then once inside the 15, he came out and Barber went in for the score. I think Julius should do much better this year.. or at least he better. It's a contract year for him and the Cowboys have two 1st rounders next year.
Actually, all the attention the Favre situation got was way overblown. In fact, all Favre actually said after the Moss deal fell through was, along the lines of, "if they aren't going to try and get people in here, they might as well just trade me." And he said it in a way like if someone was saying something like "just kill me now". You know, not really meaning it, but get his frustration across. And as soon as someone heard the words 'trade me', it became a national story.
Killer, I must disagree with your analysis of the situation.
There is nothing wrong with expecting the front office to make moves that put the team in a better position to win. Also, please point out to me the wideouts on the GB roster that has a skillset similar to that of Randy Moss. Of course, Randy Moss probably would not be a panacea for the Packers, but it's nice to have a wide receiver of that caliber on your team.
Also, all the running backs on the GB roster have a grand total of 891 career rushing yards. When you consider that, coupled with the fact that the o-line was shaky at best last year, of course the running game is questionable.
I'm not oblivious to Favre's ridiculous behavior, but you're trying to nitpick, at this point.
Obviously, you didn't listen to all he said, because he said that with losing Ahman Green, a three wide-receiver set of Driver, Jennings, and Moss would be pretty intimidating for defenses.
You say Vernon Morency ISN'T questionable? I'm not saying he can't do better, but he didn't exactly put people at ease for Green leaving.
He said he was dissapointed that they didn't try and bolster the offense with some veteran help, like Moss. He loves the good young players they have. But good young players don't necessarily equal winning right now.
And he's not just a player, he's the only three-peating MVP the league has had.
The reality of the situation is completely irrelevant.
I ask you this; If Randy Moss, while on the Raiders, starting talking about how his running game was questionable and asking for trades to be made, how would people respond? They'd call him a loud-mouth malcontent, and tell him to shut up. They'd talk about how he's a stain, how he's got character issues, how he's a locker room cancer. Somehow, because he's Brett Favre, he's allowed to get away with this, and I think it's crap.
This is exactly the kind of attitude that I hate. He's been a great player, so this kind of behaviour is somehow more acceptable? Bullshit.
In my opinion, it's worse. Far, far worse. Ted Thompson's trying to build a team through the draft, for the future. How do you think he feels when his 3 Time MVP QB starts PUBLICLY questioning his moves? How does a young Vernon Morency feel when he hears that type of thing from a living legend?
Favre is supposed to be a leader. Instead, he's running his mouth off about his teammates' abilities and his General Manger's decisions. IN PUBLIC!
Wow. That's the first time I've been negmodded in a long time. It's even a noob negmod. Wow, there must be some real heavy Packers faithful around here.
He never once called out Morency's abilities, he said they had a young backfield.
He never trashed a single player on the team, he just said he felt they could add more, and they didn't.
And yes, as has been the case throughout history, the great players do get to question the management. Why? Because they are great players. No one is saying JaMarcus Russell is going to turn the Raiders into a Super Bowl contender this year, but in time, he's something to build around. Favre's gripe is that he's coming back, and he wants to contend for a Super Bowl. Thompson, instead of signing some veteran free agents, concentrated more on taking the best player available to build the team for the future. And that theory is fine, if you don't have one of the top QB's in NFL history guiding your team for maybe a year or two. You give him help to win. Thompson ignoring the fact that Favre needs offensive help in veteran players like Moss is a slap in the face to Favre.
If Morency becomes a 1500 yard rusher, and some of the late draft picks the Pack picked up help out, Favre will acknowledge that. But right now, they are not going to be looked at as a contender.
And furthermore, no matter what the view is on Favre's performance, if Aaron Rodgers was QB'ing this year, NOBODY would even consider them a playoff contender.
At least Favre keeps his complaining for AFTER he became a Hall of Fame QB. Let's not forget your mighty John Elway pulled the old Eli manuever when he got drafted by (was it the Lions?) and sat out the whole year.
Here's a bit of Favre's comments after this all got blown out of proportion:
"Our offense struggled last season," Favre told the paper. "If it were not for our defense, we would not have won eight games. Right now, it's hard to be optimistic. I'm not getting any younger and I think everyone knows that. I don't have five years to rebuild. No one in Green Bay is saying rebuild but it's hard to look at where we are going and say, 'How can they not be rebuilding?"'
But Favre, who told the team in February that he was returning for his 17th NFL season, reiterated his commitment to Green Bay on Monday.
The Packers have a three-day mandatory minicamp beginning Friday, and it remains unclear whether Favre, who had surgery to remove bone spurs from his left ankle in late February, will attend.
"As I said in February when I announced that I was coming back, I am excited about the young talent on our team and the improvements we're going to see from one year to the next," Favre said. "I really enjoy the young guys I'm playing with. I'm working hard down in Mississippi right now, rehabbing, and I plan to be in the best shape of my life. I look forward to playing with this team and seeing what we can do. I think we can be pretty good."
Farve knew the Packers were building for the future. He should be there to help make the team good for the future. He should be helping develop players. (Like his mentoring of Rodgers, which by the way he is doing poorly.) But instead he wants to win it all again. Very selfish if you ask me. It wasn't going to happen with just Randy anyways.
I can see how bringing in vet players to help improve the team for helping out the younger guys, but it costing a pick or player of the future would be stupid. If Farve truly doesn't know the Packers are keeping him to help out for the future, he should just retire.
Elway pulled an Eli on the Colts. It was a dick move, yeah, but he had the leverage. He was also drafted by the Yankees. He was young, too.
He called his running game questionable. That's a slap to the face for Vernon Morency. He asked for Randy Moss. That's a slap to the face for Greg Jennings and Donald Driver. He bitched when he didn't get him. That's a slap to the face for Ted Thompson.
To fuck with that shit. They should sacrifice the future of the Packers so that Favre can have a shot at riding out in a blaze of glory? No. Ted's job is to make the team better. Not just next year, not just the next two years, but for the next 5, or 10 years. He's drafting a solid corps of young players, especially on defense. That's his job, not to give Favre a fairy tale ending. Ted Thompson turned a 4-12 team into an 8-8 team, or did everyone forget that? Ted Thompson has not tried to move Brett to make way for Aaron Rogers. He has given Favre the reigns unquestioningly, as Favre deserves; but asking a GM in his position to plan the way he builds a team around one player? No. I don't care what player we're talking about. Don't throw the way the Broncos signed guys for Elway's last years in my face either. They were competitive for all the years leading up to 97/98. They just brought in the finishing pieces. Thompson was given a 4-12 team. It's a little different.
My real beef is that he's doing it in public. If he had asked Thompson for a few minutes of his time, and made these things known privately, hey, go right ahead.
Actually, that's a lie. My other big beef is that back when Javon Walker was complaining about his contract, and how his team wasn't committing to him, Favre told him to shut up and play. Oh, yeah. My other Beef is that Favre is only committing to the team on a year-to-year basis. It's kind of hard to plan when your starting QB does that, huh?
Favre said he was coming back because he felt he wanted to win. Why would the Packers want a soon to retire QB if they are rebuilding? They'd be just fine with letting Rodgers run the show, but their not. They said this past year they wanted Favre back, because they know he gives them the best chance to win.
It's selfish because you don't want to keep playing a sport, even if your going to lose? No player, young or old, wants to believe they are in a "rebuilding year", because that's just a nice way of usually saying the team will suck.
And I still don't see how there's a slap in the face to Vernon Morency, who frankly, everyone calls questionable. Could he break out? Sure. But he's no guarantee. Is anybody picking Morency to contend for the rushing title? And again, Favre never dissed Driver or Jennings. Favre would never diss Driver, as he considers him the best WR he's ever had. He said the thought of Driver, Jennings, and Moss would be pretty damn scary.
I've already talked more than I even wanted to about this. It's making me sound like a douche. Obviously, I'm a Packers fan, and a Favre fan. I'll give you the Walker incident, especially considering how it all played out.
I'll just close by saying that Favre wants to win, and felt they missed opportunities.
I think the Packers organization has been sending loud messages about whether or not they want him to retire since they didn't resign Mike Wahle and Marco Rivera.
They are keeping Farve so he can help the progression of some players. Not because they are scared to throw Rodgers in or there is a high chance of winning.
One more year behind Bret should help Rodgers. Even more so if Farve tries to help Rodgers unlike before.
I don't think Favre has much interest in providing tutelage to the nubile Rogers. The Packers are keeping him around because the state of Wisconsin desparately wants to perform mass fellatio on his man parts.
