Olivia's stepfather is dead. In this timeline, she killed him. Can't remember which episode, but she admits to it. They didn't exactly "forget" about it. It simply doesn't "exist" anymore. Maybe Olivia will remember the letters, but again, it doesn't matter since he's dead and she managed to stand up to him in her subconscious in the animated episode.
Also, the First People are explained in the season finale of Season 3. In 2026, it's revealed that Walter is the First People. He's the one that sent the parts of the machine back in time through the wormhole in Central Park.
It's a shame it's a one off episode with no conclusion to them building the machine and removing the Observers. It's highly probable that this was a future where the 2 universes were merged or were no longer connected by the bridge since the Observers could probably separate them without fatal consequences.
But William Bell killed(?) Olivia? Where the hell did that/he come from???
Now Etta said she was only 4 when her parents (Olivia and Peter) disappeared, if this was in 2016 then the timing would mean that Olivia gets pregnant very soon in the current timeline (2012).
Observers are from the 27th century? Crazy!
There is still lots to think about but those were my current thoughts.
In the event Fringe gets that 13-ep final season, I'm pretty sure we'll be following that story. Since the DRJ/universes arc is supposedly coming to an end this season.
In the event Fringe gets that 13-ep final season, I'm pretty sure we'll be following that story. Since the DRJ/universes arc is supposedly coming to an end this season.
But an entire series set in 2036 with no Olivia?? They can't do that surely!?
I've thought of something else now. Remember in series 1 when David Robert Jones did brain surgery on mental patients to get access to the 3 pieces of Walter's brain to find out about the doorway between universes tech?
How is it that those same pieces were apparently kept safe at Massive Dynamic in this future universe, possibly from the moment they were removed until then?
According to William Bell (when we found out about it during the episode) when he removed them it could not have been possible to preserve live brain tissue like that without them dying and becoming useless unless they were placed into other brain to keep them alive like he did with the random patients he chose.
So unless they were still in those people until they died or were removed when a way to store it safely was discovered at MD then how is it possible they were at MD the whole time when it was impossible to store them originally???
I have a feeling it'll probably be along the lines of Bell not having a choice. I really don't see him killing her for any other reason except if it were to save the universes.
I don't think the next season would be completely set in 2036, but I wouldn't mind seeing more of it. But the season will most likely be focused on stopping the Observers from taking over, thus 2036 will play a bigger part. And there might even be some time traveling going on, similar to what Peter did with 2026.
they've kinda phased out olivia a bit over the past few episodes, now i hope it's not the case and we'll see plenty more of her in the upcoming weeks, but it's been noticeable with the Lincoln episode and then the Walter episode on the other side.
we know so little of this future and it comes out of nowhere, i really don't know how to react. this storyhad never even been hinted at, even this season with september's explanation within his own subconscious there was no talk of a hostile takeover or anything.
i'm confused, i understand the plot of the episosde, i'm confused as to why they did this
Yeah, as far as Canon the Observers could have been just that, people interested in the events of time until they screwed up their future and decided to take ours since it was the only options. Though you'd think we'd have found out how to colonize planets before we time-travel lol Though if anything I think it has something to do with the water. (Deja Vu as i'm typing this O.o) What did old-Broyles mean when he said "It's water, it doesn't do anything for me." or something along those lines.
As far as Fringe-wise, I think this episode was meant to serve as a possible series Spin-off point after Fringe is done. I think we all know that Fringe is hanging by a few threads with FOX (knock on wood). Should worst come to worst or even if Fringe has an actual ending as a series, this could be something that someone else can do something with in the future. Futuristic Sci-Fi Rebellion anyone? Could be the TV equivalent of the Star Wars movies now that I put it like that haha
Ah my brain!! So many storylines to keep track of!!
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So, putting my thoughts in order (mostly),
Backing up to before, does this mean that Peter going to the future after using the machine is a dropped storyline? At first we thought once this timeline was done we'd go back to the old but this IS the timeline and there's likely no going back.
We've known Olivia was going to die for some time, since the animated episode at the very least, but it looks like now instead of the man with the X Shirt (played by Ulrich Thomsen) being the alleged person that will kill Olivia it is now Bell. Then again, the man with the X Shirt may have also gone the way of my last thought in that it's currently a paused storyline or maybe even dropped.
Now, the episode, I really enjoyed the episode. It was a strange feeling just being thrown into this future possibility with no warning. The Observers (or should we call them Invaders now? ) were much more vocal and some were even kind of a dick lol. We find out their true intentions and I think it's entirely possible they were at first Observing then they go and trash the future planet and what do you know, there's one right here.
Walter was pretty much on both extremes of his personality this episode huh? When they got him out he was smart but very. . . . easily amused, let's say. Then he gets his brains back and BAM! To me he seemed much more intense and serious then his other-dimensional counterpart. and ps, I didn't know how much of a badass fully brained Walter could be ha. That anti-matter bomb was awesome then later when he cut off Bell's hand from the Amber. Guy's cold as ice.
I think this was kind of a special episode, meaning this could have been the episode to lay ground-work that could possibly serve a spin-off series if/when the series ends. I'm also pretty sure Bell's being there was just a plot device to move the story forward. Nimoy is retired from acting (hence why he was animated his last appearance) and he was used in lieu of introducing a new character. Though they already had Mr X, idk why they wouldn't just use him. . . Either way, I don't think we'll see Bell any time soon. If he was the one that killed Olivia I'd agree with LiFeInABoX, he probably didn't have another choice seeing as he was still there with the entire team, meaning he was working with them after Olivia's death, otherwise how could Henrietta could have been born.
And Henrietta (cuz the child was named Henry with the other Olivia, get it?) was obviously the love spawn of Peter and Olivia. I think she did a good job. And the end, with the tears. Good stuff, though she kind of came off as "rookie" or maybe that's just me.
Ah. . . Sorry for the long post guys. These thoughts seemed to take up less space when they were in my head.
Fringe is getting a 5th, and FINAL season. IT WILL END AND NOT BE CANCELLED. cue a tie for happiest day of my year so far (tied with Korra's earlier than expected premiere.)
Really glad it gets to end properly and not get cancelled and leave fans in limbo. wish it had more time, that's a lot to get through in an abbreviated 13 episode season
Though, as the producer's said, they filmed two endings for the season finale, in case it was a series finale. And that last week's episode would set up the Season 5 storyline.
They haven't let us down yet, and I very much doubt they will for Fringe's swan song.
Well...I don't know what to say...I didn't think they'd actually go through with it...I don't know if I should commend the show, or just be extremely depressed...
That was an incredibly depressing end to the episode. Here's hoping the red!verse comes back for the finale, and next season. AFAIK the producers said this season would wrap up the universes story arc, but that's the backbone of the entire series. I'm not sure where they'd go from there, other than a complete change of pace with the observer future.
preview for next weeks hinted at more confusion regarding the two universes and DRJ it was a depressing end, tho i'm glad lincoln stayed on the other side, i like how they put everyone in the room together when discussing it and then again when the bridge was closed. somehow i don't think we've seen the end of the dual universe plot just yet
I have a feeling that David Robert Jones was doing everything he possibly could to force the Fringe teams to close the bridge between the worlds instead of collapsing them altogether.
you can do Hulu for the past few, or OnDemand if you have a cable provider that provides it (TimeWarner, Xfinity, ect.) or buy/rent from Zune if you have an xbox
lol. WHat an anticlimactic ending. We know she will be okay, thats why they set up Cortexiphans healing properties. We saw her in 2036 with Bell, she's just fine.
From what I've gathered here's what's changed. Without peter having been in this universe Walters history had changed, and because of this his relationship with bell did as well. Whatever it was about Walter fathering his stolen son in the original universe is what also humanized Bell.
Conversly Bell could have been playing a long con in the previous universe. We know that He was working with DRJ now so it's possible with his death in the first timeline he changed his goals or how to achieve them. Either way in both universes it seems he will be responsible for Olivias death. WHich can not occur until some time in the future so she can have her and peters child.
Expect and end scene some fast forward to the future with a chid and olivia being killed, with the end result being a future season 5. The only other scenario is a season 5 consisting of half future world and flashbacks to the uprising of the observers and death and child of olivia. Assuming this is going to be the main Arc of Season 5 anyway, and not just a few episodes.
I just really dislike the whole "zoo full of mutant freaks of the week" from the porcupine monster episode two weeks back. Why is it that, inevitably, every sci-fi adventure show has to resort to the Zoo Full of Mutant Freaks of the Week at some point? Smallville did it, The X-Files did it if I remember correctly, I'm pretty sure a couple of other shows did it too but I'm also pretty sure I'm too lazy to look it up. TVtropes something mumble mumble...
I just generally have the Zoo Full of Mutant Freaks of the Week idea. It's never pulled off well and, on a show like Fringe, likely to never be brought up again.
Zoo? You mean Ark right? You did see the parallels between there being two a male and female of the beasts and it was on a ship. So they are all advanced beings for a reborn earth. Which is what the group was all about. It was like a mad scientists version of Noah's ark, maybe DRJ is their leader. You never know when the plots may connect.
I would love for that plotline to play out, I really would... but of all of the plotlines that Fringe has introduced over the years, from Olivia's dad sending her threatening birthday cards to baby Henry to the First People, etc. etc. etc., they straight FORGET that about 80% of all of their plotlines were ever introduced.
also yeah, because they're in this kinda new universe they can reintroduce william bell as alive and apparently the ultimate nemesis for the fringe team sets up a fantastic finale
also yeah, because they're in this kinda new universe they can reintroduce william bell as alive and apparently the ultimate nemesis for the fringe team sets up a fantastic finale
What? Shes fine. Thats why they made up the regenerative aspect of cortexaphan. Astrid is going nowhere, we already saw her alive in 2036.
Really? You went on for three posts about something and even said mark my words and have been shown to be 100% wrong. Are you saying you dont comprehend this?
(knock on wood). Should worst come to worst or even if Fringe has an actual ending as a series, this could be something that someone else can do something with in the future. Futuristic Sci-Fi Rebellion anyone? Could be the TV equivalent of the Star Wars movies now that I put it like that haha
) were much more vocal and some were even kind of a dick lol. We find out their true intentions and I think it's entirely possible they were at first Observing then they go and trash the future planet and what do you know, there's one right here.
