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ChaosAD
Chemist Nerd
#2791   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to 1984, #2790:

True, but it's nice to see allies on both sides of the "aisle" now.
UlfvarrOT
#2792   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to cunfuzzled, #1:

Religiously, I think that gay people have the same rights as straight people. I don't care if they get married or not. I believe in God, and I believe that marriage is a sacred and holy bond between a man and a woman, but that doesn't mean that I can infringe on the rights of other people who may or may not believe in God. It's not my place to say no, I don't have that right.
Politically, we as a people have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Banning gay marriage infringes on all three of those rights. Banning it means that the gays cannot live their life the way that straights can. It infringes on their liberty, because they are people too, and obviously it infringes on them being happy.
Why should a man and a woman have a right to be married and miserable, but two men or two women have no right to marry and be happy?
On the sexual side, what people do behind closed doors in none of our business, plain and simple.
pal_sch
#2793   Posted 1 year ago
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A pretty nifty little info graphic.

I hope they develop this into a version that shows changes over time and then update it each year. Give it a decade and you can watch the rainbow fill out.
1984
#2794   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to ChaosAD, #2791:

What aisle though? The conservative-liberal one, or the secular-religious one?
ChaosAD
Chemist Nerd
#2795   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to 1984, #2794:

Secular vs religious. For the most part, the gay marriage issue has been primarily based on emotional/religious beliefs, as most of the political ones sort of deflect, either through saying it's up to states to decide, or this or that. For the most part, however, the church has had no shortage of direct opinion on the matter -- what I like about the video is that that church in particular is calling out the media on oversimplification of the issue, trying to scrounge up strong rhetoric based on emotion, when really, the issue is constitutionality vs. control.
KWierso
MYRADORABLE
#2796   Posted 1 year ago
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Wonder if it's too late for the Democratic National Convention to be moved out of North Carolina...
Marksman_91
Sponsor
#2797   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to KWierso, #2796:

What's worse is that all of this is pretty much a complete waste of time and taxpayers' money. Prop. 8 was overturned in California for its unconstitutionality, what's to say it won't be the same for Amendment 1?
Chewey_Delt
SexyHomoHobo
#2798   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Marksman_91, #2797:

Prop. 8 is still in court, actually. The two cases are also quite different. Prop. 8 involved a situation in which the state had previously provided equal marriage rights, only banning those rights after the fact. This was cited in the decision by the 9th Circuit to overturn Prop. 8. In NC, however, those rights were never provided to gay couples, so it's not at all the same situation. It's also not certain that the 9th Circuit's decision on Prop. 8 will stand.
Chewey_Delt
SexyHomoHobo
#2799   Posted 1 year ago
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Obama Says Same-Sex Marriage Should Be Legal

pal_sch
#2800   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Chewey_Delt, #2799:

Video and transcript.
"I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don't Ask Don't Tell is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I've just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married,"
This on the heels of Biden's less committal but still largely supportive statement


This site is collecting responses as they come in.

Post edited 5/09/12 3:12PM
S1apSh0es
ItsAllGravy
#2801   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Chewey_Delt, #2799:

In reply to pal_sch, #2800:

Jesus Christ, I hope this doesn't turn into 2004 all over again.

Kudos for him taking a stand, but this is just more reason for the batshit ignorant right wing to flock to the booths in droves come November.
Bobomcgraw
Bah Humbug
#2802   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to S1apSh0es, #2801:

Tolerance, equality, fairness?
Fuck that!
pal_sch
#2803   Posted 1 year ago
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Shep Smith says Republicans are on the wrong side of history.

Anyone would think he'd forgotten he was on Fox news.
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#2804   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to pal_sch, #2803:

The man is a honey badger.
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#2805   Posted 1 year ago
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www.dangerousminds.net/comments/the_single_most_eloq...
procrastin8r
#2806   Posted 1 year ago
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I will paraphrase Washington governor Christine Gregoire

"Some say domestic partnerships are the same as marriage. That’s a version of the discriminatory, separate but equal argument of the past"

Honestly this is probably the most damning argument for gay marriage. It boils it down to a pure issue of civil and human rights, something that anyone would be hard pressed to support the arguments against it when it only shows parallels between those who stood against women's suffrage, the sexual revolution and the civil rights movement
KWierso
MYRADORABLE
#2807   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to procrastin8r, #2806:
those who stood against women's suffrage, the sexual revolution and the civil rights movement
Welcome to the 2012 GOP.

Post edited 5/09/12 4:49PM
Izzi
EYES OF FURY
#2808   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to KWierso, #2796:

The Last Time North Carolina Amended Their Constitution On Marriage
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#2809   Posted 1 year ago
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pal_sch
#2810   Posted 1 year ago
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Ouch.
So congratulations, North Carolina. Last night, you struck a decisive blow for loneliness. And tonight, as you go to sleep beside your heterosexual life mate, you can rest assured that all across your great state, a gay man or lesbian woman is crying themselves to sleep in solitude and making your relationship stronger with each tear.
— STEPHEN COLBERT
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#2811   Posted 1 year ago
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Pretty sure it's been posted here, but fuck it.

ChaosAD
Chemist Nerd
#2812   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Chi_Mangetsu, #2811:

Every time gay marriage gets defeated through the court system, I always think to myself, "Take that, freedom!"
Izzi
EYES OF FURY
#2813   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to ChaosAD, #2812:

I always feel ashamed to live in this time because they'll look back at us in history and think we were all backwards, just like we look at our grandparents with the civil rights movement.
HeadlessMarv
#2814   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Chi_Mangetsu, #2811:

Reddit?
SloeBombFizz
#2815   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Izzi, #2813:

Just flip that view around.
Remember that there were people during Jim Crow and during Slavery who knew exactly what was wrong (plenty of people) and it wasn't about how people "in that time" thought it was OK. It's about specific people being very wrong. And the struggle to get it fixed.
Izzi
EYES OF FURY
#2816   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to HeadlessMarv, #2814:

If it's on the internet, the answer is most likely yes.
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#2817   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to HeadlessMarv, #2814:

James Gunn.
Bobomcgraw
Bah Humbug
#2818   Posted 1 year ago
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Chewey_Delt
SexyHomoHobo
#2819   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Bobomcgraw, #2818:

I really don't care what Chris Evans says. I just want him to be gay.
JohnMatt
#2820   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Bobomcgraw, #2818:

Not to be a downer, but people said that ten years ago, too.

I think there will be a time where that's true, but it's more than 10 years out.
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