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Barbara
CAST & CREW
#1   Posted 4 years ago
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Does everything happen for a reason, or is that some dumb excuse?

I vote free will.

It happened because you are careless.
Preezerk
#2   Posted 4 years ago
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In reply to BlawnDee, #1:
Free will.

Fate is just an excuse for people that can't take control of their own life.

There is ALWAYS a choice.

a REALLY smart guy said this in another thread, and I LOVED it so much I'm just going to copy and paste it.
speedy07
Sponsor
#3   Posted 4 years ago
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If everything happens for a reason than I am wondering what reason terminal illnesses happened for.
Alsace
WWWWWWWWWWWW
#4   Posted 4 years ago
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Life would be exceedingly pointless if you didn't have a choice.
anubis5919
#5   Posted 4 years ago
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I don't believe in Fate, but I do believe in Karma, or that is, the energies you put out into the world will eventually come back to get you~e.a. if you are selfless and helpful, people will help you when your down, if your upbeat, you'll always have generally good things happen too you, if your malicious and cross people, someday someone will cross you, if your lonely you will make yourself alone, etc etc etc.
Batpez
whaaaaat
#6   Posted 4 years ago
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free will.
but you must also consider that the choices of other people affect what choices you have available to you.
Preezerk
#7   Posted 4 years ago
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I just hate people that act like they have no choice....like one person that will remain nameless. Told me it was impossible for him to lose weight. It's in his genes to be fat.

WHAT THE FUCK EVER!!!

It's not genes, it's those bags of chips you ate EVERY day, and all the Mt. Dew you sucked down.

(you know it's true dude....if you ever read this.)

it's a crutch for people that are afraid to fail. It's easier to think that they had no choice, not that they made the wrong decision.
ValhallaKing
MforMustard
#8   Posted 4 years ago
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I believe you are fated to a life.
The free will part is all up to the user.
Maybe the beginning and the end are all pre-determined but the middle is always different.
Alsace
WWWWWWWWWWWW
#9   Posted 4 years ago
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In reply to anubis5919, #5:

Nah, you're just looking at collective outlook. A person who puts out "good energy" is going to be more inclined to find the good in every situation, whereas a person who is malicious is more likely to keep figuring out how to exploit people.
ValhallaKing
MforMustard
#10   Posted 4 years ago
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In reply to Moeparker, #7:

I do agree with you here.
I am overweight but don't believe it wasn't my choice to be this way.
Yes my parents did start me off this way but it is no excuse for me to continue to stay this way.
Preezerk
#11   Posted 4 years ago
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In reply to ValhallaKing, #10:

That's cool.

It's just...people that give up cause they think they have no options. No effect on the grand scale. I just don't hold to that belief.

Everything you do, everything, can change your life. I've often thought about what if I had sped up and made that green light...would I have drove right into the path of another car around the block. I really do think that every action can have a profound effect.

Cause nothing is written in stone. Life IS what you make of it.
Batpez
whaaaaat
#12   Posted 4 years ago
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exactly. why can't I get a better job? I'm too lazy, thats why. we have choices. we may not have the full range of choices available to us, but near infinite is still a lot.
John117_MC
#13   Posted 4 years ago
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At the same time we must realize that we do have limitations, and the limit is typically not the sky.
ValhallaKing
MforMustard
#14   Posted 4 years ago
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In reply to John117_MC, #13:

Limitations makes me want to touch on another subject.
Why are we only limited to 10% of our brain as what scientists have told us ?
Barbara
CAST & CREW
#15   Posted 4 years ago
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In reply to ValhallaKing, #14:

Our brain is hiding stuff from us.
I bet the other 90% knows where I left my Barbie doll back in '99.
Preezerk
#16   Posted 4 years ago
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In reply to ValhallaKing, #14:

We're not.

2 scientists were conducting the test long ago. They tested each other. The tests showed that Scientist A used 89% of his brain, Scientist B only used 10%.

Out of rage Scientist B killed the other one, then went on the publish the paper with the number being 10% so he wouldn't feel dumb.

true story.
Batmantis25
#17   Posted 4 years ago
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In reply to ValhallaKing, #14:

You have this study at hand?
dragonbanez
#18   Posted 4 years ago
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DaDouche made a long argument about this in the discussion of Christianity thread a while ago,
Somebody needs to go dig that up.
KWierso
MYRADORABLE
#19   Posted 4 years ago
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In reply to ValhallaKing, #14:

Wasn't that a movie? Or a book?
Mexcello
#20   Posted 4 years ago
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In reply to dragonbanez, #18:
DaDouche made a long argument about this in the discussion of Christianity thread a while ago,
Somebody I need to go dig that up.

Yes, yes you do.
ValhallaKing
MforMustard
#21   Posted 4 years ago
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In reply to Moeparker, #16:

Show me proof please if you can.
Batpez
whaaaaat
#22   Posted 4 years ago
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well our limitations are 1) based on the fact that we are human
2) based on the choices of those before us
3) based on our own previous choices
ValhallaKing
MforMustard
#23   Posted 4 years ago
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In reply to Batmantis25, #17:

No.
nemfx
#24   Posted 4 years ago
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I believe that your responsible for yourself as much as you can be, that you can only control so much, and that if there is any kind of force in the universe controlling things, he/she/it really doesn't like you at all, be it chaos theory or whatever.

Murphy's law and all that.
ValhallaKing
MforMustard
#25   Posted 4 years ago
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In reply to KWierso, #19:

Honestly I don't know.
dragonbanez
#26   Posted 4 years ago
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Dear fucking lord finding it is taking forever.
Barbara
CAST & CREW
#27   Posted 4 years ago
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In reply to dragonbanez, #26:

I went through 3 pages and gave up.

I don't try.
Batmantis25
#28   Posted 4 years ago
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In reply to ValhallaKing, #23:

It's not nice to tell stories.
John117_MC
#29   Posted 4 years ago
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In reply to ValhallaKing, #14:
In reply to John117_MC, #13:

Limitations makes me want to touch on another subject.
Why are we only limited to 10% of our brain as what scientists have told us ?
This is an urban myth. Please show me the study where scientists decided this.
dragonbanez
#30   Posted 4 years ago
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Fuck you all, I found it.
If God is omniscient, then He would know the impact of any interaction made in our world. While we have the free will to say "yes" or "no", if we come to those decisions by any interaction of God, they're not our decisions. Any affect that God has had in His interactions are either either irrelevant, or the determinant for some choice that will be made in the future. That means that God either:

-has absolute influence over our decisions, making free will non-existent
-has no influence over us at all, making every single person a product of their own free will with a character developed strictly through their environment and genetics.

Both options make heaven and hell arbitrary. Either you're floating on the river of God's will, or you're a product of the world around you.


On a personal note, I'd like to add that both options remove any need for personal responsibility. They're not the reason I became an atheist, but they're the reason why I will never go back to a theism that worships a omniscient and omnipotent God.

Free will means that God does not interact in this world. Every action we take is a result of the character that we developed in life. The illusion of free will means that despite what we perceive to be our own decisions and consequences, it's all part of an unknowable divine plan.
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