I have to agree with you. Before their lives turned into a train wreck, they were one of the best tag teams on that list. I'd actually take HHH and HBK off the list that was post above and slot them in there between E & C and the Dudleys.........
Demolition was a good and memorable tag team but they weren't the greatest in the ring. Matter of opinion though. They would definitely be in the top 15 though.
DX should always be looked at like a tag team especially in their later years when they actually won the tag titles and having a great feud with Rated RKO, Legacy and the McMahons. Grade A feuds. Their feud with those groups save that period of time in wrestling because WWE creative was much stupider back in 2006 than they are now.
If this question was brought up about 10 years ago, the Hardy's would be on the list, but over the years they lost all credibility. First off Hardy's were never great on the mic. They were great in the ring, don't get me wrong, but they were always third rate when it came to Team 3D and E&C especially after the first TLC match. Hardy's could never cut a promo, period. This is also coming from a former Hardy Boyz fan. And with the past couple years with Jeff doing drugs, and Matt being... well Matt, they lost all credibility. Even them teaming again in TNA couldn't help the TNA ratings.
Everyone on that list deserves to be on that list.
Sadly, I have to agree. Man, I was a fan of the Hardys until about 2006. Remember how people reacted to the whole Matt/Lita/Edge triangle? I thought he would get in the main event for sure until he opened his mouth when he got back.
To be fair, most of the Hardys outside-the-ring woes happened when they were singles wrestlers. I would think that, as a unit, they belong in that list just based on the sheer entertainment value of their matches.
I'm not saying the Hardy's are bad. Like Demolition, their in the top 15. But I'm looking at there entire career as a tag team including there run in TNA and their later years in WWE. Their later years were terrible. If you want I can write down top 11-20.
I would say then still that if you're looking at entire careers, then HBK-HHH don't measure up. They were a stable when it was just the two of them at the start of DX, and it was a nostaglia comeback when they did start teaming a couple years ago. My list would have to be people that were important, or revolutionized tag team wrestling. They did not, and at that point were nothing more than two legendary single stars rehashing an old gimmick.
Even during the attitude era they team together. They were a stable when Shawn left and Road Dogg, Billy Gunn, and X-Pac took his place. Chyna was their valet, and Rick Rude was their manager. Even though they never won the tag championships in their first run does not mean they weren't influential. They were the most influential team to enter the attitude era. They and Austin helped build the attitude era.
I put a lot of teams on my list who revolutionized the tag team division. A couple guys I wished to put on the list would be the Blackjacks, The Steiner Brothers, The New Age Outlaws, and even Strike Force.
DX did more in two years in their second run as a team than 80% of any tag team that has entered the business, and i will argue that point to the grave. They weren't just a team of two top level stars because that wasn't the case they started as a team. HHH was a new star when he teamed with Michaels. DX is the most asked for tag team in history, and you can't deny that fact.
Do people ask for DX? Yeah, but they just want to see them do their hijinx, not really care about the tag teaming. And their second run had everything to do with Triple H and HBK already being two of the top guys in the company. And to say they did more in that run than the majority of others....I'd defend that only because there were way too many teams that had no influence. But at the time DX did their second run, there were hardly any teams to speak of. They first came back for Edge-Orton, another team that was really just two singles stars. And Spirit Squad and McMahons. This wasn't two tag teams feuding, it was two stables feuding. DX just was two guys.
Look, this is my opinion, my tag team list would consist of teams that built themselves as names in the tag team division. Honestly, on my list HBK, Bret Hart, and Edge and Christian are the only ones who really went to another level, and seemed to fit in the singles division once their teams split up. The others? It's weird seeing D-Von without Bubba (despite what TNA is doing), it was weird not see Ax without Smash..etc.
To me, they were two top stars having a simple run at a time when tag team wrestling as a whole has become pretty obsolete. Hell, they put the belts on the shelf there for a little bit a short while after HBK and Trips one reign.
Popular? Without question. But my list wouldn't have them. But that's my list.
But again. They were a tag team in both their first and second run. The won their first tag titles in their second run. They may have not revolutionized much in the tag team division, but they ended up being one of the most popular tag team in history. The reason they handed DX the titles was because they were never given the opportunity for the titles in their first run.
Why? Because Shawn was injured. If Shawn was never injured and left after two years with teaming with HHH, they would have been tag champions.
In their first run as a team, they had a feud that led to one of the most controversial moments in WWE's history. Their feud with the Hart Foundation was amazing. Even though they never really did a hole lot of tag matches, as a team they created great moments. It was their second run did they ever start really acting as a tag team, and it was great. Their feuds with JeriShow, Legacy, Rated RKO, The Spirit Squad and the McMahons were grade a quality. It really was the last time the tag titles were taken seriously.
The Punk vs Bryan match was fantastic as expected. Let's hope they keep them fueding for a little while longer. I wonder how the AJ story will end. My money is on her doing something at No Way Out but who will she help? Punk or Bryan? Personally I would love to see a heel turn for her and for her to help Bryan win the title.
I miss good tag team div. TNA lost theres. WWE pretty much never cared for it...pisses me off they just throw guys together and say HEY...go out there and do your job! What the fuck happend to the tag team div's?
Ive felt this why for a while. WWE focuses far too much on the singles division and the tag and divas fall to the wayside. Even the intercontinental and US championship seem to be an afterthought to them.
TNA really started to lose it when they switched to the traditional ring. So much of the tag division seemed to henge on the x-division and their high flyer moves. Much of that seems lost with the 4 sided ring. TNA also has started focusing too much on the singles division, making a joke of the woman's and knockout tag, titles. The X division title doesn't seem much better off either, and the X division was a big part of why I got into TNA in the first place.
I guess what I'm saying is the singles titles are not the only thing that can have a rivalry or compelling story around them.
So after a sea of young talent that's pretty much relegated to NXT and Superstars with me only having hopes that a small handful of them will ever make it (seriously, they should just let Kidd and Henning have a feud on Smackdown every week, and people will get excited to see them), I'm really excited for the next batch of guys coming up. Cesaro might need some rework, but he's solid. Damien Sandow is already a presence both on the mic, and in the ring. Dean Ambrose should be on our screens soon, and even some faces Seth Rollins and Richie Steamboat should be able to have a chance. My new favorite to watch in FCW is someone who was already up, and was a mystery to me why he got sent back down. I thought Husky Harris had a unique look and could go in the ring a year ago. But his current gimmick as Bray Wyatt is gold. It might be the Waylon Mercy character that we missed out on getting when Dan Spivey had to retire in the mid 90s. Hell, although I think he needs a tweak or two, Leo Kruger is ring ready as well. The next year should be interesting to see who sticks when the call comes.
Meh you can't say that... Remember the days of Money Inc., Legion of Doom, Demolition, The Quebecers, and The Steiners. People always go back to E&C, Dudleys, and the hardys probably because it's the easiest to remember after their famous TLC match.
I agree with majority of your points except for Cesaro, I believe his image is slowly being tarnished by Aksana. Shes the kiss of death. Harris' new gimmick is very good, and he can pull it off very well, problem is... he will never win a singles title in the WWE... ever. Very gimmicky wrestlers never can make it in the business these days unless they are really fucking over, like Ryder or Santino. This is why I have high hopes for Rollins and Ambrose, but someone like Kassius Ohno someone I WANT to be the next HHH so someone of that level, his name could easily kill his career.
WWE has really changed from the early 2000's thats for sure. We had an abundant roster, tons of championships, all of them had focused storylines... Now the main storyline gets about 35 mins every Raw, the WWE championship is brushed into the middle of the show, and rarely does the US/IC champions get any time to speak or even wrestle. WWE believes if they don't keep their focus on the main storyline the ratings will drop because CENA AIN'T ON TV... aka WWE has lost hope on every one, and their all their hope sits on Cena's shoulders. The only way to get WWE to snap out is to get CENA off TV. Honestly. It will make them rethink everything.
The WWE championship has not been in the Main Event a PPV all year. Seriously. Majority of the PPV's this year has ended with Cena. This isn't a Cena hate rant, this is serious fact. He needs to get off TV for a year or so, so the rest of the roster can get some attention.
LoD's best work in my opinion was with the NWA. Take into consideration that when they were in the WWE when they feuded with all those guys, it was in a span of 2 years, until Hawk left after Summerslam of 92. You can go back even further and mentioned Mr. Fuji and Mr. Saito vs. Jules and Chief Jay Strongbow in the early 80's. A very classic match up between two great tag teams.
The tag team division is shaping up quite a bit honestly. It's not great, but they're bringing in new teams. We have Rek's and Hawkins (My personal favorite), Titus and Young (Millions of Dollars!), and Epico and Primo. All three teams are serious tag teams, no matter how good or bad they are in the ring. It's a matter of getting them on tv every week and allowing them to get on the mic and cut a promo here and there. R-Truth and Kofi aren't a serious tag team, they're a thrown together team, which no one cares about. Rek's and Hawkins are my personal favorite because out of the three teams they have a unique personality if you watched them on NXT. They're entertaining to say the least.
The thing about the tag team division (at least in WWE, where I at least pay some attention) is that they haven't got teams with the pre-showcase history that teams from the late '90s/early 2000s had. Edge & Christian, the Dudleyz and Hardyz had been working with their respective teammates for a long time before they even came to the WWE. The teams were already polished but ready for improvement.
Now, most of the teams are put together based on who 1) wants to work together or 2) isn't doing anything else. In the former case, it can work because they get to know how each-other thinks and can come up with moves that other teams can't do as effectively. Personally, I like when they start with cross-feud tag matches. It can give less-known talent more exposure and a chance to find someone they can stand on equal footing with later.
Does it count as double-posting if the last two posts are a month apart?
RAW 1000 is a lot of fun. It makes me wish I was paying attention to TNA, considering I didn't know the New Age Outlaws were available. Best feel of the night: seeing the APA come back. Biggest letdown: Lita. Anyone else have those types of reactions?