Ok to give you a bit of context as of late I've been playing games and noticing an rise in Moaning Little Girl culture, basically people who must win at any cost.
The game being the Tribes Ascend Beta and the other team were using a heavy armoured guy with the heavy weight perk (makes you immovable to explosives so you don't get knockback) The guy spent the entire match just sitting on the enemy flag the issue being you can't grab the flag unless touching it unless you buy a very high end perk which probably equates to a good 50 hours of play. I called them on it and got a torrent of abuse and "stop QQing " "Go Cry somewhere else" "Its easy to counter idiot" and even "the developers put it in the game to use that way idiot" The thing being this is a damn beta where they are looking for any possible issues and exploits such as this one they were doing. (The Halo Reach /3 equivalent of putting a warthog over the flag to stop the other team taking it)
A similar thing happened on Minecraft of all places on a faction server where one faction had a full obsidian tower and 3 hours after me joinning the server they raided the faction I'd joined base using 125 creepers to blow open the base, fair game you might think but they spent all their online time skill boosting using the MCMMO stuff or raiding other bases to hold all the diamonds. The true issue came when I realised they had put their base entrance outside the map so no one could raid it and were bribing people in faction to betray them as well as joinning under false accounts to join factions and clear them out, at one point sealing me into a full obsidian cube full of lava when I spawned in thanks to using second accounts to find the factions home spawn.
The question is, is the drive to win going too far now to get the best stats etc. I've been gaming for a fair while now and I have dabbled in clans back in about 98-99 so I'm not just coming to gaming or anything but for me I've always found gaming like going to play football or something in the park with friends you go there and have fun and that's how being in the clan I was in was back then. But now it seems like more and more people are trying for the best stats and trying to win by looking for advantages and ways to exploit the game.
And to in advance counter the general comments that come in against it.
"But they bought the game they should be able to do what they like with it" counter argument : I bought the car does that mean I can use it as I like ? or does it mean I can drive about in it and its only fair to do it when I'm not ruining someone else's enjoyment of their car ?
"But everyone can do it so its fair ?" Counter argument : Just because you can does it make it right ? should everyone be forced to resort to the same tactic just to be able to play the game and there be no variation because a specific tactic exploits the game mechanics. Should every match of C&C be who can build tanks to do a tank rush first or is the game meant to be about who has a better tactical plan and uses all their troops best ?
"You should have done it first" Counter argument: So because you can DDos someone offline that's fair because the other person should have done it first to you ? that's a fun game there of Halo 3 who can knock the other offline first sure better then you know running and shooting and trying to prove you're more skilled in the game.
"Life is unfair and dog eat dog" Counter argument : But is sport inherently unfair or does the better team / person win most of the time ?
"Its in the game obviously the developers intended it to be used like that or they wouldn't have programmed it " Counter argument: Well no because the developers can't predict every possible thing players will think of so though its in the game the developers haven't intended it to be used and often will patch it out.
Worse than having to put up with exploits are the people who bombard you with abuse is when a group like MLG bans a weapon, so not only do you have people doing the exploits but the moment you kill them with a "Noob" or "NON MLC certified weapon" you get abuse and often people attempting to get you banned despite the weapon being something the devs have programmed and its pretty much designed to be fired its not finding a way out the map or becoming super hulk.
I've had countless times with this happening in modern gaming (as in the past say 3 years or so) and its now becoming so common I've often avoiding online games as for every 2 good games I get 1 someone exploiting, straight out glitching or even modding and the moment you say anything you get a torrent of abuse and them then doing their best to have you banned just for pointing out they we're playing fair, its like pointing out the guy refusing to go down the snakes in snakes and ladders then him saying you're the problem and he doesn't want to ever play with you because its not fun and you won't let him win.
So is the Pro gaming culture ruining gaming by meaning even social games non league just normal matches are filled with people exploiting, pub stomping and team stacking to ensure the win ? Or if not what really is ruining gaming ? (Is it perhaps that now everyone is online all the dicks are able to get online too without the hassle )
They can only ruin your gaming experience if you allow them to do so. Mute and block are my defenses against those people and my cure to their bullshit is to have fun with people that I can enjoy gaming with. Yes you'll end up in a map with them and they will ruin that particular night but *shrug*
I was in a Halo matchmaking game a couple weeks ago, playing 4v4 oddball on the spaceship level. I get paired up with three people who are in a party. Not even halfway through the game we're winning so they take the ball up into the space part and put it in the center platform and shoot the other team when they try to come up. In fucking matchmaking. Where the hell is the fun in sitting around watching the damn ball until time runs out? I said fuck this, grabbed the ball and dropped back into the level.
The thing that really gets me is that it was in matchmaking. If you're trying to win more wouldn't you want to, I don't know, actually play the damn game and improve skills? Not figure out cheap little ways that will let you win provided you are on that specific gametype on that specific map and somebody else on your team HAS the skills to get you in the lead in the first place.
basically, why the hell should your team, or the opponents team care about you?
in CoD, a friend of mine had the choice to either save me and potentially die, making his K/D ratio slightly worse,but would have allowed me to win the game by planting the bomb, or keep camping popping off the occasional guy that ran past scoring points that had nothing to do with the match type... guess what he chose :I
The thing that really gets me is that it was in matchmaking. If you're trying to win more wouldn't you want to, I don't know, actually play the damn game and improve skills? Not figure out cheap little ways that will let you win provided you are on that specific gametype on that specific map and somebody else on your team HAS the skills to get you in the lead in the first place.
This is a real problem, but you can lessen it by playing different games. If you play COD, you're going to get all the immature, adolescent boys, whereas if you play battlefield, there are far, far fewer of these and the game itself is designed to encourage teamwork by giving competitive players points for helping their teammates.
As far as MLG goes, they are the worst players. Not only are they usually just not very good, but they do not have any idea what teamwork is and, despite what they say, they do not play fair. I can't tell you how many times I have killed a camping MLG player and took over his spot and weapon and he has actually criticized me for it! I don't know how the MLG works, but they need to focus on playing the game rather than trying to inflate their own egos.
I'm just going to say that what SpleeSpree says is a complete falsehood and is nothing but a stereotype that BF players seem to want to continue to propagate out of some strange psychological need to put down another community. It's akin to how Horde players like to pretend that all of the good people are on their side of the faction divide. It's simplistic and childish.
I put in a lot of time playing BF3 on the 360 and the only reason I can even think of why you might believe what you're saying is because no one seems to ever talk in that game. Finding out if anyone is immature is nigh impossible unless you actually see someone teabagging a dead body.
that makes them immature? what about if your teabagging someone, who then runs round a corner to get killed by you again, so you start teabagging that corpse, he again coming to his death, you moving on to the next corpse? i did that to a friend of mine recently... 'twas fun :P
but seriously, you can tell people are immature in games such as Team Fortress 2, where everyone rages at Free To Play players (I myself being a FTP) for killing them.... i mean, in a game where the idea is to kill the enemy and the enemy goes "oh you f-ing noob, stop being such an f-ing noob" simply because im the better player, but just can't be bother paying money.... I don't believe that the person who has the most money is instantly the better player...
Just point out the obvious to them: Money doesn't keep you alive when your skills are lackluster. Then ignore them (I don't even know if they have that in TF2, I haven't played it in ages.)
nah i don't think you can, but still it's funny seeing the messages pop up from the 2 or 3 heavy's i've just picked of with the medic and his trust syringe gun all flaming me.... XP
There's less teabagging in BF3, because most kills are too far away for them to get to your corpse. There's less people calling you fag because nobody talks, and the people that do are usually in parties with friends. The way the point system is set up does usually lead to more teamwork, even if it is just to get more points.
I agree with you that noboby talks in BF3 but when I play online there is the same amount of teamwork as in COD. Just this week I was playing Rush and got inside a helicopter and the person who was flying just jump out and so I die and the helicopter blew up. Another thing is that I will heal and give ammo to my teammates but when I need to be heal or need ammo they don't help.
Any way back on topic; in a Black Ops match me and my whole team was getting spawn kill. Every time I would spawn there was always someone behind me to kill me and if they didn't kill me than there kill streaks would. This did not happend to me once but twice on the same day on the same map. It is these kind of people that learns where the spawns points are that are ruining gaming for me.
