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Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#31   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to DiMono, #30:

I did a search for that story ...and then found something worse.

todaytravel.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/05/10582817-tsa...
Bobomcgraw
Bah Humbug
#32   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to DiMono, #30:

I read that story too.
Izzi
EYES OF FURY
#33   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to ChaosAD, #25:

It's liquids and gels because there are dangerous, inflammable, and even explosive materials that come in liquid or gel form. It's not like it's that far off the mark. Ever seen nitroglycerin? Nice and liquidy until you bounce it about too much and it blows.

Sometimes the rules really do seem arbitrary, but it's based on risk assessments.
DiMono
SITE ADMIN
#34   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Izzi, #33:

Except, 100ml of nitroglycerin can do a lot of damage.
Izzi
EYES OF FURY
#35   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to DiMono, #34:

Fine, no liquids of any amount allowed at all. Now all fears assuaged?

Again, it's not that these rules will guarantee nothing will ever happen or that all possible threats can be avoided.
DiMono
SITE ADMIN
#36   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Izzi, #35:

That's kind of my point. You need to choose which laws and precautions to put in place, and you need to do so intelligently. A lot of what we have so far seems to be more theatre - the illusion of safety - than actual protection.
Izzi
EYES OF FURY
#37   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to DiMono, #36:

I think we would all need to get jobs at the upper levels of TSA or work for DHS before we could really determine how they came about making these decisions. While I don't have a ton of faith in the people who work at the decision-maker levels in some of these government agencies, they aren't all just a bunch of idiots. These rules were decided on for a reason.

I'm of a different opinion than many, though. I don't really care about airport security regulations. I've flown plenty and never had a problem. I get more annoyed in security lines with the people who make a big deal about throwing out a tube of toothpaste than I do at the TSA screeners. And so what if they miss something now and then, they're just human. Give them a break.
ThinkMeister
#38   Posted 1 year ago
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Really can't say anything other than to find... alternatives to the body scans and pat downs. Yes, the need for security is vital, but maintaining that fine line between security along with decency and respect can be a tricky task, considering there are so many unknown variables. Although the security is a nuisance, at least they're not going this far:

www.travelandleisure.com/articles/special-report-inside-the-worlds-most-secure-airport

Oh well. Can't win all the time. :/
priest81
Non Sequitur
#39   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to DiMono, #21:

I agree with you on this issue. Reactionary overbearing security precautions that violate civil liberty shouldn't be used. The TSA is a joke, and an expensive one at that.
KWierso
MYRADORABLE
#40   Posted 1 year ago
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online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230381...
KWierso
MYRADORABLE
#41   Posted 1 year ago
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www.detroitnews.com/article/20120418/OPINION03/20...
KWierso
MYRADORABLE
#42   Posted 1 year ago
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Meanwhile, in LA...
Mongopwn
#43   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to KWierso, #42:

Keeping us safe, one gram of coke at a time.
pal_sch
#44   Posted 1 year ago
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www.loweringthebar.net/2012/04/tsa-tiny-suspect-assa...

www.loweringthebar.net/2012/04/tsa-too-sad-for-an-ac...
ChaosAD
Chemist Nerd
#45   Posted 1 year ago
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overheadbin.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/26/11416281-del...

Speaking of airport security... this is kind of scary.
DiMono
SITE ADMIN
#46   Posted 10 months ago
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Thread revival!
Bobomcgraw
Bah Humbug
#47   Posted 10 months ago
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In reply to DiMono, #46:

Fucking facepalm.

Some of the comments on that.
People should not be allowed to make references to 1984 if they haven't actually read and understood the fucking book.

Seriously people, cameras in the streets, or advanced detection tools in public areas are not fucking Orwellian!
If that shit was in your home, it would be Orwellian, that was the point.
cbouwkamp
8Bit RT
#48   Posted 10 months ago
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In reply to Bobomcgraw, #47:

People reference 1984 from the simple phrase "big brother is watching you". Most people have probably not actually read how big brother was watching. I loved that book
Bobomcgraw
Bah Humbug
#49   Posted 10 months ago
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In reply to cbouwkamp, #48:

I know, they should read the book before they start telling people about it.
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#50   Posted 10 months ago
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In reply to Bobomcgraw, #49:

This is the closest most people get to having an inkling about 1984.
cbouwkamp
8Bit RT
#51   Posted 10 months ago
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In reply to Bobomcgraw, #49:

I am 27 and they did not read that book in my school anymore. It wasn't until later that I went back and read it.
ChaosAD
Chemist Nerd
#52   Posted 10 months ago
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In reply to Bobomcgraw, #47:

The whole point of references to 1984, at least I feel, is the direction society heads when the body politic allows invasions of privacy, frequently for the sake of the illusion of safety and security. 1984 is one of my favorite books. However, people make references constantly to things they don't understand a la Fight Club. I've learned to start ignoring what most people say when they make references they are clearly uninformed about.

And hilariously enough, my office is in room 101.
Izzi
EYES OF FURY
#53   Posted 10 months ago
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In reply to Chi_Mangetsu, #50:

What I got from that commercial was the chick has boobs. Not sure where they were actually heading.

Also loved 1984. Read it years ago and then went back and read it again when I was older just to get a better understanding.
KWierso
MYRADORABLE
#54   Posted 10 months ago
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Meanwhile
Izzi
EYES OF FURY
#55   Posted 10 months ago
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In reply to KWierso, #54:

Yum, my favorite type of sandwich.
Bobomcgraw
Bah Humbug
#56   Posted 10 months ago
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In reply to ChaosAD, #52:

But the things is a lot of this stuff is not an invasion of privacy.
Your right to privacy ends pretty much at your front door.
Once you are out in public, everything is public.
ChaosAD
Chemist Nerd
#57   Posted 10 months ago
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In reply to Bobomcgraw, #56:

I don't know about that. I'd like to think that the Fourth Amendment should protect us against illegal search and seizure, of our person, vehicle, and possessions. Like cell phone conversations. Yes, I know they can be intercepted, and courts have upheld that any wireless transmission is considered "free domain" or whatever the term is -- but do you feel comfortable with the possibility that any cell phone conversation you have can be tapped and recorded? That all private conversations you have can be recorded? Any web surfing you do can be logged and used against you? There's a line.

I am not willing to agree that cameras everywhere are acceptable, and that in public every move you make, every word you speak, can be watched, recorded, and used against you. Many frequently state "if you're not a criminal, you have nothing to hide." I am not a criminal under current laws, but as "democracy" frequently changes, the laws tend to be written by whomever is in power at any given time. (And one of the reasons democracy doesn't work.) What is legal one day may be illegal the next.
hamashitta
#58   Posted 10 months ago
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Pat downs are considered battery when the tables are turned on the TSA.
Blood_XIII
Badass Bitch
#59   Posted 9 months ago
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How about this kid who just LITERALLY walked onto a plane with no ticket or anything?

overheadbin.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/26/12969132-uk-stowaway-schoolboy-it-was-easier-than-my-homework?lite
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