Burnie mentioned how he wanted to have a podcast where he and Gus specifically talk about the ending of Mass Effect 3 for a certain amount of time.
Anybody else really want this? I know they try to avoid spoilers and I wouldn't want an entire podcast wasted to some fans but it would be something different.
I would like to know their real feelings on it.. I doubt they could make a long podcast, might make a good short episode, or a "special".
Ok yeah I was just thinking maybe just a segment or something along those lines. I just can never tell if I'm psyched about something and nobody cares or if there's general interest. EX: if you aren't going to RTX I've always wondered if you just don't listen to that part of the podcast or don't care.
Yer i would also like to see what their thoughts on the ending were are we all agreeing with the indoctrination theory? what are your views on it and which ending do you think is "the best"
It'd be good to hear their thoughts, especially since they know more about how gaming companies work and operate than most people so they might have some good insight to why Bioware would give the game such a horrible ending.
Well we could be getting into super spoiler territory but I'll just say that I completely agree with the theory you're talking about. Once you buy into that theory then the ending suddenly turns in on itself.
SUPER BIG SPOILER ALERT
The only real true ending IMO is the one where Shepard lives. If you picked the others then you're just an indoctrinated sucker and the Reapers win.
when the citadel explodes its in space, yet when we see shep wake up, hes surrounded by rubble, as if he never left earth because hes cool but he isnt going to survive an orbital drop, he aint no master chief
Its a really great theory and it makes perfect sense, major spoilers ,
but that means that the game is unfinished and that Shepard hasn't defeated the reapers yet. Now he has to get from under a pile of rubble into the Citadel and find some way to open the arms.
That's why I don't like the ending, cause it really leaves us nowhere. I guess they could release a continuation, that wraps it up, but I really think that's something that should have been in the game in the first place.
Why the hell did they not actually finish the story. Did they think, "People will love this, and then they find out there is more in DLC. It's a win-win." I mean, did someone not raise a hand and go, "Yeah, but what if they don't like the fact that the story is really over at the end of the main game."
I can see why you or others don't like it for that reason. It's just that it really shows how YOU are indoctrinated. YOU have no idea what's going on. You've played 3 games with the goal to destroy the reapers and now in the home stretch you're going to... listen... to a.. REAPER??? Listen to... THE ILLUSIVE MAN? You're going to trust your eyes and believe it's as simple as red vs blue (pun clearly intended)?
Just watch Shepards hands in all the choices. Choice one: Hold's hands with the device and is essentially siding with the enemy. Choice 2: Throws weapon away and kills self. Remember what Harbinger said," We are your salvation through your destruction". You're just lying down and dying. Choice 3: SHOOT THE DAMN BAD GUYS LIKE YOU PLANNED FOR 3 GAMES NOW.
While that may be true, it could be also looked at as a colossal FU to the buyers. I mean, what about the people that play, but have no access to any parts of xbox live. Not everyone can afford high speed internet.
also the destroy repears option is in red as if renagade while control them is in blue, we also have the question, why was the normandy in mid jump at the end of the game? it was jumping away from earth.....and bioware never said this is the last game mearle end of sheps story ;)
That's exactly how I feel. Games should have endings. Halo 3 had a clear cut ending that made perfect sense, you defeat the bad guy and save earth, and then they have a small little hook on the end just to keep the story open ended.
I just skipped to the spoiler-cast part and listened from there. Really enjoyed hearing their opinions on the game. BUT HOLY FUCK I can't believe how many different things that can happen in Mass Effect 3. Four people in a room and and it sounded like they were confusing 12 different play-throughs.
I would believe it to be rare that everybody in their office would start playing and finish a new game around the same time. So cool they did the spoiler cast.
They skimmed over the indoctrination theory a little but that's OK. Nothing is confirmed at the moment so it's all opinions based on some evidence.
Just for the record, I've heard that Bioware is going to have an announcement about Mass Effect 3 this Friday. Could discuss some DLC or just announce a date for something to come out.
Did anyone else find it strange that everyone kept talking about stuff happening in London as if it were a big deal before the Reapers brought the Citadel to Earth.
But Halo didn't end at the Warthog jump either. It wrapped up the story. It showed you how Master Chief was lost in space, it showed the Elites and Humans making a truce, it showed Earth still standing, it gave you resolution and completion. Hell, the ending was more of a teaser than anything.
Mass Effect 3 did none of that. You have no idea what happened to Earth, especially considering that Mass Relays don't go out with a whimper, they go out with a pretty big bang, and sending enough energy through the Relay to blow it up is not a controlled explosion for people throwing that theory out, that's the opposite, it should cause the biggest boom possible. You don't know what actually happens to the Normandy, you just see it crash in the middle of nowhere and a quick shot, nothing conclusive. You don't see what happens to the controlled Reapers if you chose that ending. You don't see the new life forms if you choose Synthesis. You don't see what happens to the other races, or all the characters you met throughout the story. And that's the big part. The Mass Effect universe is based around characters, and none of that matters in the ending. They never really explain how the catalyst works. They introduce a shitty character, a new overarching plotpoint with more importance and complexity than "stop the Reapers", and give you the ultimate choice of the universe in 14 friggin lines, etc. I can't stop listing the reasons why the ending sucked. I can't even give a single argument for it being good. It sucked. It was an abomination. It was bad, very bad. There, the end. It sucked. I can understand why people want it fixed.
What I can't understand is the hostility towards these people who want a new ending. I mean I see the games journalists, and they paint these people as an angry lynch mob, when they are not. They are voicing concerns and they even raised tens of thousands of dollars for charity. Then you have the games journalists attacking them. They call them entitled bitches, crybabies, people who have no right to complain, and then take some moral high ground that doesn't exist. Maybe they should look in a mirror, because the people petitioning for a new ending are a lot more civil than the games journalists are being. And that is the real shame in this whole thing. The mistreatment of gamers. And this isn't even a new thing. For some reason games journalists think gamers have no right to voice their opinion on anything. And that isn't true. Gamers fund this industry. Gamers buy the games. They have every right to voice any opinion they have, make any demand they want met, and ask for any expectation they have to be fulfilled. They are what fuels this industry. Sure developers make the content, but they make it for the gamers. Publishers and Journalists are the ones with the least say, considering they aren't actually necessary for the industry. They are just tagging along for the ride. So it isn't gamers who are being over-entitled. No. It is journalists. They need to get off their high-thrones and treat their readers and viewers with more respect. And hell. APOLOGIZE TO THEM FOR THIS. I think that's not too much to ask for, an apology.
I do not accept their discussion as to why the Relays didn't kill everyone. That was not clear enough for me in the game for me to draw the conclusion that it was a controlled explosion.
