One of the biggest questions for an anarchist. You want to get rid of the government but can you truly get by with out its support? What would you need? Where would you live if given the chance? What would be your utopia, and how would you obtain it?
I suppose I don't follow true anarchy. I oppose the government, and I wish to see it overthrown, but I don't think we could live without it indefinitely. We may have been able to get away with it a few thousand years ago when the population was low and the resources were high, but there are to many people and not enough space to do this. If we do manage to achieve our common goal of a toppled government, it would take no time at all for one ambitious person to gather a following and set up a new government. Instead of fighting the inevitable, let's help. We set up a new system from the rubble of the old. Seeing as how the corruption has already been destroyed, we give them a fresh slate. As long as the same mistakes are not made twice, we may be able to live with a government. I have no problem with the ideals the U.S Constitution has, I just despised the way modern politics are insulting them.
It's not so much that people can't get by. Evolutionarily humans learned to survive by instinct, and so we learned to hunt, to build shelter, etc. etc.
However, and I know I'm going off topic with this, how can one really call themselves an Anarchist in this day and age when everything is marketed? How can one know what a true Anarchist is like? I mean sure it sounds like it makes sense and it can spur a lot of ideas - Despite that though, why would someone be spouting such rhetoric? For what purpose? For what incentive? For what price? You even have to take what you learn with a grain of salt. I mean sure, the numbers and dates in a history book can make sense, but is that what you really believe? Or is that what the institutions in society want you to think?
Let's take religion for example: Take the story of Noah and his arc. Does it really seem probable, or even reasonable that an aging man was able to make a boat fit for a pair of every animal to whisk them away to a new land after the coming of a massive storm that was supposed to wipe out the rest of the Earth? In the mind of a child, maybe (Or maybe even those who lack practical thought). Why would someone conjure up a fable like that? What is the moral of the story? No matter what the interpretation of a scripture, it is not your thoughts that you come up with in the end: They're someone else's. I forsake my education simply because I can't take anything anyone says seriously because I don't know where they get their ideas, nor do I know why they feel like they belong to a group of people who are "like-minded".
How can one even tell apart or label themselves as a certain social clique? Take for instance the punk clique of this generation. Most modern adolescents in today's society dress in "punk" attire: Ripped denim, studded belts and wristbands, sport the "mohawk" hairstyle, and get tattoo's. The general message they want to send is that they have "embraced" Anarchy and want to "Fight the Man". Who is the man exactly? Oh, you know: The government, business corporations - Basically anyone who turns a profit off of the labor of the "exploited". If you ask me, these modern "punks" are a band of hypocrites. They preach the liberation of the people and these exploited workers, while at the same time they wear the attire that is made by those very hands. What's worse is that corporations have learned how to capitalize off of an idea like Anarchy, that it's featured even in the most repulsive of creations ever conjured: Guitar Hero.
Anarchy this, Anarchy that, "I saw this insignia on Guitar Hero and it makes me look fucking kick-ass!" It's bullshit, I tell you.
I'm not ragging on anyone here, I'm just saying that these corporations are involved in every fucking facet of your lives - Even if you don't know it. How can anyone take what ANYONE says seriously? Hell, you may as well even be skeptical of the things I'm saying to you now. Am I being fueled by greed? Am I turning a profit by saying the things I'm saying right now? I wish I was, but I'm not, because this kind of talk is the kind that major business corporations wish to keep discreet. None of these major businesses care how an individual is feeling about ideas or philosophies - All they care about is if they can profit off of it, and these days: It's death metal, punk, rap, jewelry, sex, sodomy, and entertainment.
There's no living without this kind of society once we're in this deep. Go on, try living without any of your niceties for one day. That includes your clothes, food that you cook, your car, your hygiene products, accessories, etc. etc. For those are all manufactured and sold for capital. To live in an Anarchistic society is to live a life as such, and I'll bet you that you won't last an hour in those shoes.
There's no living without this kind of society once we're in this deep. Go on, try living without any of your niceties for one day. That includes your clothes, food that you cook, your car, your hygiene products, accessories, etc. etc. For those are all manufactured and sold for capital. To live in an Anarchistic society is to live a life as such, and I'll bet you that you won't last an hour in those shoes.
Ok how about education then? You must concede that it is possible (although unlikely) for an individual to learn the skills needed to get by from scratch. Now don't get me wrong Scratch is a harsh term and I will agree that I my self am not ready to run off into the wilderness stark naked and live like John Rambo.
But food, clothes, hygiene products, cars, and accessories are all, on a deminshing list of needs are they not?
I myself know how to cook, I have expieriance in the relm of making my own clothes as well, small example. Don't get me wrong the very fact that I have been gaining skills in these areas has opened my eyes to the fact that I am not self reliant at all. That I and every one around me are dependent on the structures of control around us. But with every bit of skill that I gain that dependincy changes into self control.
The skills we are able to gain are only limited by our education. I started this thread to discuss those skills and the meathods of acuiring them.
I don't beileve anarchy to be a ridgid set of beileves. My idea of anarchy is focusing on the individual for the betterment of the group. You said that you dispise the way the government is insulting the Constitution it is suppose to uphold. My answer to this is that it is not the governing persons fault but the system they are forced to work in. When set rules are administered to a group the individual is inevitably forgotten. That is why I do condemn the government untill the individual is addressed it will remain flawed.
...sorry for any lack of spelling or conclusion. I am in a bit of a rush and short on time...
Ok how about education then? You must concede that it is possible (although unlikely) for an individual to learn the skills needed to get by from scratch. Now don't get me wrong Scratch is a harsh term and I will agree that I my self am not ready to run off into the wilderness stark naked and live like John Rambo.
But food, clothes, hygiene products, cars, and accessories are all, on a deminshing list of needs are they not?
I myself know how to cook, I have expieriance in the relm of making my own clothes as well, small example. Don't get me wrong the very fact that I have been gaining skills in these areas has opened my eyes to the fact that I am not self reliant at all. That I and every one around me are dependent on the structures of control around us. But with every bit of skill that I gain that dependincy changes into self control.
The skills we are able to gain are only limited by our education. I started this thread to discuss those skills and the meathods of acuiring them.
Good point, but even cave men had managed to use the pelts of animals they hunted as loincloths. Their discovery of fire helped to cook their food, as well as to keep warm, and they sought out places like caves and such for shelter. We're thousands of years evolved past these primitive cave men, and if you honestly doubt that any of us can learn to live in the wild, I'm afraid you're mistaken. Truth be told, if I was forced to do so, I would learn to adjust to my surroundings and do what I need to do to survive.
Sure I'm even accustomed to these modern forms of technology, but do I need them to live? Absolutely not. Do I need a microwave or a stove to cook my food? Well, it depends on how much wood, tinder, and flint I can gather, but I don't think so. What I want to get at is that living in a high-income society has given us all these niceties that we all take for granted, and sooner rather than later: All of humanity will be dependent on technology in order to survive, and that will fuel this god-forsaken capitalistic society even further and will only serve to preserve the corrupt government. Now me, I'm thankful that I even have access to any of these things because I can't bear to live life in the wild day-in and day-out. However, if I'm to lose those things one of these days, I will learn to adapt and acquire those skills by whatever method I can.
What I despise the most about kids who "embraced" Anarchy is that they're insisting on a society that they themselves are not ready to live in yet. Instead of preaching their false rhetoric, they should learn how to adapt to a world that is Anarchistic in nature. If the whole world sees an Anarchistic society thriving, then perhaps that would open the eyes of everyone and then we can truly rid the world of money-grubbing governments such as ours in the U.S.
You must be a member of the group to post in this thread.