datalaughing Always Right

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    • datalaughing Always Right

      Pick a lamp

      2 weeks ago

      Ok, people, I need your thoughts. The kids and I got Jennifer one of these lamps for Mother's Day (among other things), and I like hers enough that I want to get one for my side of the room as well. The problem is, this Etsy seller makes a lot of great designs, each in multiple colors, and I don't know which one to pick. So I am soliciting your thoughts. Here's the ones I'm looking at (note, all of these are from the Etsy shop Interstait figured I should include that tidbit to give appropriate credit):


      First, a couple of Stargate designs:

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      This SG1 logo is cool, but I think if I go Stargate I'm leaning more toward this one:


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      The detail looks very cool. And while I'm on this, I'll show you the different colors available:


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      Next a couple of Babylon 5 designs:


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      I like this Psi Corps one a lot, but I don't want blue, and I'm not sure it really works in any other color. This is also why the United Federation of Planets symbol is not in the running. I feel like blue is the only way to go on that one.


      Then the B5 logo itself:


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      Then there's a couple of SHIELD choices:


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      Not sure whether I like this one better with or without the words. The Agents of SHIELD option has a lot less detail, but is very cool:


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      And finally, COBRA!!


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      That one would have to be red of course. You just couldn't do that logo any other color. Not sure whether I love or hate the idea of a red lamp either.


      Designs, colors, it's all so hard. What do you guys think? Which design is the best? What color should it be?

    • datalaughing Always Right

      I think Kickstarter has it in for me

      1 month ago

      So back in December someone randomly linked me to the Kickstarter campaign for the game Secret Hitler. It had been at least six months since I'd looked at Kickstarter. I try not to look often because I know there's plenty of cool stuff out there, and I'll just end up spending money I shouldn't on stuff I won't see for a year. Still, the game looked pretty neat, and the price was decent. So I backed it. I ended up spending more than I intended because they introduced the snazzy wooden box somewhere during the campaign, but I figured what the hell, I don't do this often. I can splurge a tiny bit.


      Fast forward to March, and the Foglios are running their annual Kickstarter to print the new volume of Girl Genius. Well, I always back the Girl Genius kickstarter. It's my favorite webcomic, and I have all the previous volumes. So I can't very well not do it. Once again I ended up spending more than I meant to, but there were medals! I have the two medals from previous campaigns. So I needed these. I'm sure you understand. Still, it's a once a year thing. I can spend a little extra to support some awesome independent artists.


      Shortly after that campaign ended, though, Jim Butcher announced that a Dresden Files cooperative card game would start Kickstarting before the end of April (that started yesterday, btw), and if you guys have been paying any attention at all, you know that I didn't need more information than that. "A Dresden Files game, you say? How would you like me to pay for that? Cash? Check? Blood? You just say the word." It was a foregone conclusion. Within a week of that announcement, however, Brandon Sanderson announced that a boardgame based on his work, the game is called Mistborn: House War, would be hitting Kickstarter around the beginning of May. At this point I started to get a little worried. I love Mistborn almost as much as the Dresden Files, and reading the details of the game, it sounds really fun and well designed. I am intrigued and will not be able to resist. Might be a little tough on the wallet before all is said and done, but I'm sure I can make it work.


      That brings us to this morning, when Patrick Rothfuss, that slowly-writing magnificent maniacal sadist, announced a Kickstarter for the game Tak from his book The Wise Man's Fear. I thought, no, this is too much. Tak? I don't need that. Then I read his post about the history of this real world version of the game:

      "James told me he wanted to make Tak. He wanted to invent it. He wanted to build the whole thing from the ground up based on my descriptions from the book, and the unwritten stuff he knew I had hidden in my head.

      Again, I said no.

      “Why not?” he asked.

      “Tak is supposed to be my world’s version of Chess or Go or Mancala,” I said. “I can’t ask you to make a game like that. It’s like saying, ‘you know those games that have stood the test of time for hundreds or thousands of years? The best games ever? Do that, but in my world.’ So first off, it’s unreasonable for me to ask. Secondly, you can’t do it. No one can. And thirdly, if you did somehow manage to pull if off, nobody would give a shit. We’re living in the golden age of board games right now. Nobody cares about strategy games like chess anymore.”

      (If you haven’t already noticed, I can be a curmudgeonly fucker at times.)

      “Just let me try,” James said. “Let me take a run at it. If you hate what I come up with, we’ll never speak of it again.”

      So I told him, fine. Fine! Do it. Whatever. Jeez.

      So he asked me a bunch of questions. Then he went off and made a game. Then he brought it to me….

      Now you should know that I’m telling you this story so that you know where I was coming from on the subject of Tak. Simply said, I wasn’t eager to pursue it. I was the opposite of eager.

      And it wasn’t because I don’t like James Ernest. James Ernest is fucking brilliant. I’ve been playing his games for twenty years. I loved Pairs and was delighted to incorporate it into my world, but I knew that Tak was a purely mythical game. And while James was great, I knew that nobody could just sit down and create a game on par with chess or Go. I was going to politely look at whatever he brought me, smile kindly, and try to let him down as gently as possible.

      Then James brought me his game. And I played it.

      And it was amazing.

      I was stunned by the game. Stunned that anyone could make something like this. It’s more elegant than chess. It’s more enjoyable than Go.

      I learned to play it in about five minutes and had a blast. More than a year later, the game is still unfurling for me like a flower, as I understand more and more about the play of it."


      The guy is its too good a writer. He sold me on it, and I kind of hate him for it. Anyway, I've pledged for a copy of Tak. I'm excited about these games, and at the same time I've got this sinking feeling that Kickstarter is out to get me, and it's working. Damn these awesome games and my desire to possess them!

    • datalaughing Always Right

      1 month ago

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      Firefly Cargo Crate

      1 month ago

      So I'm not a big Loot Crate type of person. It always seemed to me like it was a bunch of money for a box full of mostly junk I'd never use or be interested in. I tried Nerd Block's Sci-Fi block for a couple of months, thinking it was the most likely to have cool stuff I'd like, and I did get a couple of cool shirts and other neat little things, but not enough to make it worthwhile.


      After I cancelled that, I saw Loot Crate advertising their various Level Up (https://www.lootcrate.com/level_up) subscriptions, and I thought, you know, for 9.99 a month, I might try the socks thing. So far, they've been pretty cool. I got Deadpool socks and glow in the dark Harry Potter dark mark socks:

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      And this month Mario vs Bowser and Shield vs Hydra socks:

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      All cool, and next month is apparently going to be Zelda and Kingdom Hearts themed socks. So no way I'm stopping now.


      That's all a sidenote, though, because when I heard they were doing a bi-monthly Firefly specific crate, I signed up without a second thought. A bunch of exclusive Firefly merch? Take my money, I said, take it all! Because, you know, Firefly.


      The first crate just came in today, and I loved it. So I had to share.This first crate was Kaylee themed:

      The thing they put front and center all through the advertising for this crate has been the Quantum Mechanix Mini Masters Little Damn Heroes figures. You can see the Kaylee one on the right here.

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      They say if you keep subscribing you'll get the whole series of figures, and they're going to be exclusive to these crates, not being sold elsewhere. That alone might be enough to keep me on boad. As a bonus, there was another little figure, this month it was going to be either Jayne or Simon. As you can see, I got Simon. He seems kind of unhappy, but I think thematically, he's a good compliment to Kaylee. I'm gonna put one of these on my desk at work and start adding to them as the new crates arrive. Which one do you think I should take?


      There was a variety of small items in the box, some concept art for the reaver ship and claw from the pilot, a couple of cards for Firefly the Game, which my girlfriend and I love and play all the time. So that was a perfect addition for me. There was a bumper sticker that says "Exported from Persephone" and a package of cocktail umbrellas that look like Kaylee's parasol. All pretty neat.


      Besides the figures, though, two things stuck out to me as being very cool. First was a small thing, but I quite liked it:

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      I'm definitely going to have to find somewhere cool to put this "Everything's shiny Cap'n!" pin. It's very fun and well-made. Last, but not least, though, my absolute favorite item in the box, which may say something about my maturity level, the Kaylee bear!

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      (The angle I took the picture at makes her head look freakishly big; it's not really)


      The bear has red hair to match Kaylee's, and is wearing her coveralls, with the fun little change that, where Kaylee's outfit has a little bear on the leg, the bear's outfit has a little Kaylee instead. It's soft and adorable, and I was delighted with it. Will definitely be keeping my subscription to this crate.

    • datalaughing Always Right

      So this is going to be a year of vacations, I guess

      2 months ago

      Some of you may recall my journal about how I wasn't going to make it to RTX this year because I couldn't get time off around the holiday weekend. Since then I got a promotion (which makes it even harder to get off around the holidays, btw), and we've planned some other trips, more than I expected, in point of fact.

      First off, we got talked into going to Dallas in June for fan expo. We even got tickets for the live Jay and Silent Bob Get Old show theyre doing. So if anyone else is going to Dallas fan expo, let me know.


      In bigger news, we scheduled the Mediterranean cruise I mentioned in that same journal. It's going to be awesome. We're going on Norwegian, because I like their freestyle mentality. It will start in Venice with stops in Dubrovnik, Croatio; Kotor, Montenegro; Athens; Mykonos; Naples (where we get to visit Pompeii); Rome; Florence/Pisa; Toulon, France, and ending in Barcelona. I've only ever visited a few places in Europe before this. So I am pumped. If anyone has been to these places and has recommendations or advice, I'd love to hear it.


      Then, about 3 weeks after we get back from Europe, I've been invited by Jennifer's family to spend a week with them at Disney World, all paid for by them. So it would have been hard to turn down. Hoping I still know some people down there who I might get to see again. I've never been to a Disney park before, partly because I don't like theme parks. So this should be interesting. I hear the food is good, though.


      Anyway, that's my update about this year of vacations. Anyone else got cool plans?

    • datalaughing Always Right

      Post-X-Mas Journal

      4 months ago

      Well, I had a very ... varied holiday this year. Some of it was amazing, some of it not so much, but all in all, I survived, sometimes just barely.


      I spent most of the last week or two at my girlfriend's house hanging out with her and the kids. We did Christmas morning together, and it was awesome. Her big present from me was a New 3DS, which she actually opened about a month early. I'd already wrapped it, and it was under the tree one day when we were sitting around, and she was about to buy one for herself. I was like, "No, you can't buy one of those." And she laughed because she thought it was a joke, and I said, "No, seriously, you can't." And she looked over and figured out what it was I'd gotten her. So, since she already knew, and she had a use for it straight away, I told her to go ahead and open it. She got a lot of use out of it in the month in between. So I guess that worked out. Of course, I got her a few smaller presents as well. It wouldn't do to have her with nothing to open from me on Christmas. For one, I got her an Agent Carter Pop figure:

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      Also, Ocarina of Time for her 3DS (she loves Zelda but has never played Ocarina of Time; so it seemed like something she needed to have) and some Doctor Who earrings.


      One of the kids got a mystery box full of random toys I'd picked up at Wizard World Comic Con. The box was a big Mario question mark box, which was half the fun of the present. For the other one, I got a 30 inch Appa plush, because we've recently been watching Avatar The Last Airbender with them. That went over pretty well:

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      That's Kairi (in case you were wondering, yes, her mom REALLY loves Kingdom Hearts).


      I got a couple of things that I really wanted but had decided were too expensive for me to actually buy myself. I didn't know that was the way she'd go with it, but I am indescribably grateful to her for being so awesome. First, a signed and numbered, leather bound copy of Brandon Sanderson's newly released 10th Anniversary edition of Elantris.

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      So pretty. Seriously, I don't think I have another book that's printed in this quality.

      Then, along the same lines, a double-signed, framed print from Jim Butcher's new Cinder Spires series:

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      A map of Habble Morning, copper foil embossed on blue felt paper. It's really lovely. I just have to figure out where to hang it now.


      So Christmas morning was amazing. We were both happy, and there's nothing like the thrill that kids have opening their presents. It couldn't have been better.


      That night was something else. We went to her parents' for dinner and presents. We had to get there at 3 to keep her mom company while making dinner and to help out where she'd allow. Dinner was awesome. It usually is pretty good there. She and I also spent a decent amount of time playing Batman Fluxx (another of my presents), and that was a lot of fun. Everyone's family is weird. So I won't go into any specifics on this one (but, believe me, there are some). Their approach to opening Christmas presents, though, is a bit drawn out. One present at a time is opened, starting with the oldest person present and moving in age order down the line. There were 9 people, and a big room full of presents. We started at like 8 p.m., and we finished somewhere around 11:30. With arguing and family drama to break things up throughout, of course. It was kind of a long night. Especially considering that the kids were getting tired and grumpy long before the end. So I won't say it was an unpleasant evening. It was just a very long one.


      The next day, we had tickets to see The Hateful Eight in 70mm in Dallas. So we drove the three hours with a couple of my friends. The movie was good, not my favorite Tarantino movie, but a solid film. I liked it. The theater, which boasts about their huge screens, especially their XD theater, seems to have chosen the smallest screen they had to show this film. So I'm not sure it really did justice to the 70mm, but I got a cool souvenir program out of the deal.


      As we left the theater, our phones began screaming with tornado warnings. West Texas and the panhandle were getting hit by a blizzard, Dallas got tornadoes. We avoided those, though we did discover that on our drive back, we went through some areas that got hit by tornadoes a mere 10-20 minutes after we passed. The entire way through the Metroplex was sheeting down rain, though, to the point where I couldn't see anything but the lights of the car in front of me at times, and the winds were high, trying to knock me off the road. It was a bit nerve-wracking, I can tell you. We did make it back in one piece, though. I thought that was the worst I'd see for a while. Turns out, not so much.


      She lives about 15 minutes (on the interstate) away from Abilene, where I live. Sunday we had to drive into town. We'd heard some winter weather warnings, but for the first 5-10 minutes, it was all fine. It looked like a lot of people worrying about nothing. Then, like someone had hit a switch, we hit the sleet. Frozen rain coming down so thick that we couldn't see very far, and, considerably worse, there was suddenly a quarter inch of it built up on the road. We start sliding and nearly go under the 18 wheeler flying along the interstate beside us, but I managed to get it under control, or at least sliding in a slightly different direction, until we've coasted from like 70 mph to 25, when the car finally starts doing exactly what I tell it to again. So that was fun times, and for the last couple of days I've been working from home because I don't particularly want to mess with the ice and snow that are still out there.


      So, like I said at the start, it's been a varied holiday season for me, but you take the good with the bad, yeah? I also got her Lego Dimensions, which we've just started playing, and so far it's pretty entertaining. So is Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare, which she got me. I also got Star Wars Battlefront for my PS4, which I haven't had a chance to try yet, but I plan to. So if anyone else has it, let me know, (looking @jedipoet ). I assume it's more fun with people you know.


      What was everyone else's holiday like?

    • datalaughing Always Right

      We're at Six Flags

      5 months ago

      The lady at the booth tried to guess my age. She said 25. So I won a Batman Santa hat. Good deal all around.

    • datalaughing Always Right

      Something Sad and Something Happy

      5 months ago

      Looks like I won't be able to make it to RTX this year. It's always been tricky where I work to get time off around a holiday. Before now I managed it by being cleverer than my coworkers and finding loopholes in the PTO rules. Since starting in my new position this year, that's gotten harder. It looks like there's just no way I'll be able to take any time around the 4th of July weekend. This is going to be the first RTX I've missed since the original when I couldn't get tickets because they sold out instantly. I'm kind of down about it.


      On the bright side, though, my girlfriend and I decided to save up some money, including what we would have spent going to RTX, and try to take a Mediterranean cruise at some point next year. I'm very excited at this prospect. Now I just need the cash.

    • datalaughing Always Right

      Wooo! Winner!

      6 months ago

      So we got tickets for Wizardcon/Wizard World/Whatever it's called, since we were going to be in Austin this weekend anyway. We headed to Buffalo Billiards tonight for an after hours event called Drink and Draw or something like that. Artists and writers compete while everyone is drinking and having a good time. While my drawing skills are less than nonexistent, I managed to pull off first place in the writing competition and take home $100 cash. The prompt was to write a post credits scene for a movie that had no post credits scene. I wrote one for The Last Airbender, which ends with M. Night Shayamalan being executed for his crimes against cinema.

      Thank you, thank you, I know I'm amazing

    • datalaughing Always Right

      Halloween

      6 months ago

      Heading to Austin now to do Halloween on 6th street. Pray for me.

  • Comments (1830)

    • CapDac

      1 month ago

      I'm almost done with Codex Alera. Do we know when Peace Talks comes out yet?

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 month ago

        Nope, still no word unfortunately. You enjoying the Alera books? Quite different from the Dresden Files.

      • CapDac

        1 month ago

        Yeah, having a good old time. On the last book now. First three were great, fourth one seemed like a bit of a step back, fifth was pretty cool, and I'm enjoying the last one. All pretty cool.

    • monopoly_j Elevator's not worthy.

      10 months ago

      Happy Birthday!

    • Gorczy The Real Slim Shady

      10 months ago

      Your header is a gif. How do get.

    • Gorczy The Real Slim Shady

      10 months ago

      Your header is a gif. How do get.

    • monopoly_j Elevator's not worthy.

      1 year ago

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      MERRY CHRISTMAS!
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    • Zack W^_^W

      1 year ago

      hmm why weren't we friends...

      I've had this issue with dimono before. He mysteriously is not on my friendlist. Is this hazing...a site glitch? Or does an alter-ego of mine mess things up...

      or did you remove me D:

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        That is weird. I haven't removed anyone recently. Now I'll have to keep an eye on my list as well just to make sure.

    • craZboy87 Guardian Hat

      1 year ago

      Have you read Blood of Olympus yet? I'm just over 70% now and will probably stay up at least until I finish tonight.

      • craZboy87 Guardian Hat

        1 year ago

        Yeah, that has a lot of potential.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        The Norse Mythology one? I've been hearing some stuff about that. Could be interesting. Have you read the two short stories that crossover the Percy Jackson series with the Kane Chronicles? That seems to be leading to something cool as well.

      • craZboy87 Guardian Hat

        1 year ago

        Yeah, a little bit, but I was happy with it overall. Did you also see the page for the next book/series?

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        I read right through it on Tuesday. Some great stuff in there. Though the whole thing felt a little rushed to me as they tried to wrap everything up.

    • edwin it's been fun

      1 year ago

      I ended up playing Town of Salem for four hours when I needed to be studying for a mid-term tomorrow.

      So, thank you.

    • jedipoet

      1 year ago

      lolz
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    • Maiu

      1 year ago

      Uh, so, @Blehninja and I started making a religion for @Zack, but then I realized I technically belong to the Church of DataLaughing, so, as my prophet, please guide me down the path that is Rooster Teeth.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        Funny you should mention that, I totally have a religion here. Datanomics (also known as Datatology, Dataism, Datadyne, Data's Witnesses, Datagenics, The Church of Awesomeness, and the Mad Skillz Coalition) is always happy to help people looking for the truth.

    • CapDac

      1 year ago

      You said that Butcher has hinted at a time travel book at some point?

      Re-reading Changes. Sanya just found out about Harry working for Mab, and in cautioning him, says "She knows secrets Time himself has forgotten."

      Time himself?

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        Yeah, I noted that to. Might just be a Russian sort of expression, but Father Time is something that people say. So who knows.

    • CapDac

      1 year ago

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    • Gorczy The Real Slim Shady

      1 year ago

      What's your recommendation for a must see on Netflix? I don't watch much, so as long as it isn't Pulp Fiction, or the three newest James Bond movies, you should be good,

      • Gorczy The Real Slim Shady

        1 year ago

        And you were telling me to watch Firefly...

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      • Gorczy The Real Slim Shady

        1 year ago

        Wait, it's really only 13 episodes? Guess so.
        Binge Watching timesheets below.

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      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        If you haven't seen Firefly, I totally recommend you start with that and the related movie, Serenity. The series is short (only 13 episodes), but they are absolutely essential to be familiar with in today's geek culture.

      • Gorczy The Real Slim Shady

        1 year ago

        Makes sense. I've watched all of Sherlock and House before, so I might have to check some of the other shows out. I'll look through your movie list as well!

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        If you absolutely need movies than I would recommend anything you see in the movies section of my profile or almost anything on this list of DVDs I own: datalaughing.filmaf.com/owned

        See, if I like a movie I usually just buy it. So I don't know how many of those have made it to Netflix since I have no need to watch them there.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        Honestly, I don't watch a lot of movies on Netflix. So I'm not really sure what your options are. I use Netflix for TV shows mostly. As far as shows go, I can recommend several, Buffy, Firefly, Psych, Farscape, The Guild, Once Upon a Time, Sherlock, How I Met Your Mother, House, New Girl. All fun shows on Netflix.

    • Zack W^_^W

      1 year ago

      And you tried tagging me in an edit. I thought I was the pleb mod, but you are in the running.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        You cut me deep, Shrek. You cut me real deep just now.

      • Zack W^_^W

        1 year ago

        Like how you completely intended to be slower than me to post? MWAHAHAHA.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        Completely intentional.

    • SharpAsATack

      1 year ago

      So during our stay in Colorado Poet and I bought Storm Front. I finished it the other day and really enjoyed it, I especially like how even though he's clever Harry isn't a massive bad ass and spends much of the book getting the shit kicked out of him and not really finding a ton of clues, but solving the mystery anyway. I'm not big on reading a series of books because they never seem to go anywhere. Is it really worth reading all of them?

      • CapDac

        1 year ago

        The first couple of books have sort of a 'villain of the week' thing going on, but by the end of the book two, he realises there's a bigger game being played

      • SharpAsATack

        1 year ago

        And I hope I finished it before Poet, I told him I would.

      • SharpAsATack

        1 year ago

        I was worried that it was going to be a villain of the week sort of deal, but if there's more to it I guess I'll keep reading.

      • CapDac

        1 year ago

        Nope. That sums it up really accurately.

        That same flair never falters through the books. There's a continual sense of danger that Harry or his mates could get the shit kicked out of them without warning, and unlike a lot of other books it doesn't get grim or depressing as a result, but remains actively engaging.

        Helps that there's a veritable fuckton of exceptionally written characters that you really feel for.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        In fact, while I'm thinking about it, am I wrong @CapDac ?

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        Yeah, Poet texted me the other day to tell me he just finished it and really enjoyed it. Harry has a tendency to get the shit kicked out of him pretty thoroughly before the end of a story. It's sort of endearing.

        And, yes, this series is definitely worth reading. Dac will tell you the same because he just finished recently. This series really does go somewhere. For the first couple of books you might get the impression that it's kind of a villain of the week sort of thing and once everything is done he's back in the same place that he started, but as you progress you realize that everything is building. Things that he learns along the way, people he fights or makes friends with, it all comes back around and is important to the overall narrative. He loses people, meets new people, gradually grows in his ability with magic as he experiences more stuff, makes deals or gets involved with things that he really shouldn't have and then has to deal with the consequences as the books progress, and it all fits into something much bigger going on that Harry doesn't even really start to see the shape of until he's neck deep in it. Jim Butcher really knows how to tell a story.

    • CapDac

      1 year ago

      Alright, something's bugging me. I'm onto Dead Beat again and there's something about the number of villains that's bugging me. The book states that there are six necromancers in town, but as far as I can tell there's only four: Cowl, Kumori, Grevane and the Corpsetaker. Including Mavra, who is absent from the action for most of the book, still only brings it to five.

      I know Cassius and Li Xian are on the side of the villains, and if we exclude Mavra, then there's six villains, but as far as I can tell, former Denarian Cassius and ghoul Li Xian aren't actually necromancers, or if they are, they don't seem to do much of it. Their respective partners do all the heavy lifting.

      Additionally, when Harry visits Mort Lindquist and the ghosts use Mort's map to point out the number of villains, and it doesn't account for them all. Grevane and Cassius were at one site, Kumori at another, and Corpsetaker and Li Xian at the third. That leaves three, which can only be covered by Cowl and Mavra. So who's the sixth there?

      • CapDac

        1 year ago

        Probably. Or he read the end of that bloody chapter and thought "boom, my work done"

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        Well, I buy it as the end note if a chapter because its all dramatic. "Oh no! How will he ever beat that many of them?!" As for the book blurb, I'd never read that until just now. Sounds like it was written by someone who hadnt actually read the book.

        I don't know if they ever actually reference that he thought there were six of them again. When he calls the wardens he says that there are 3 apprentices of Kemmler in town and that they each have a drummer. So that's 6 total baddies by his count. So maybe the book jacket guy just thought, "the bad guys are necromancers, there are 6 bad guys, so six necromancers. Done. Where's my money?"

        Post edited 6/23/14 7:07AM

      • CapDac

        1 year ago

        Yeah, that was the scene. And I guess, but given that's a chapter-ending note, it seems like a pretty big thing to not bring up again. Or if they did, I don't remember it.

        Also, the blurb on the back of the book mentions six, although I'm more willing to believe that could be an error

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        When you say the book specifically mentions there being 6, I'm guessing you're talking about the scene with Harry and Mort? I think that is probably just them drawing an incorrect conclusion from the stuff they found. He saw that many spots of necromantic energy and immediately assumes they're all different people. One of them was a cemetery and one was in Undertown beneath the airport. We can figure that at least one of those was also Grevand since he shows up to get Butters with a couple zombies in his party even before killing the guard. Cowl, on the other hand, specifically mentions later that he wasn't bothering with a bunch of raising the dead because he didn't need to for his plan. So none of the spots belonged to him probably. Harry just doesn't have enough info at that point to know exactly how many are out there. So he seems to assume the worst. I think it's just part of being a detective. Sometimes you don't have all the info and you end up drawing the wrong conclusions.

        Post edited 6/23/14 6:56AM

    • CapDac

      1 year ago

      That was pretty awesome.

      Nick got fucked up.

      • CapDac

        1 year ago

        Exactly. During Ghost Story I couldn't work out if everything had gone to shit because of the Fomor or the Corpsetaker, because the Fomor just weren't present enough

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        It's true, as far as Harry is concerned they haven't really done much to him. He's busy with other stuff.

      • CapDac

        1 year ago

        Would be good. And the Fomor conflict needs to come front and centre. At the moment the Fomor are trying to fill the void the Red Court left behind, and narrative-wise, they aren't quite up to it because the Red Court made it so personal with the protagonist. The Fomor haven't done that, and they haven't been in the spotlight, so they need to dazzle us.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        Yeah, I was actually just thinking that Mavra could show up to some peace talks and Harry would have to play nice, which he'd just hate. I'm actually really hoping that Peace Talks will be a bunch of people coming together to try to build an alliance against the Fomor. They have been trying to screw over pretty much everybody at this point.

      • CapDac

        1 year ago

        I dunno...while Ursiel and Lasciel are in the most secure place they could be, surviving villains do have a nasty habit of reappearing unexpectedly. Case in point, Quintus Cassius. And if even Maeve could be corrupted, there's no telling who could fall to Nemesis's reach and go in and out of the Underworld. Notice how no one mentioned Nemesis this go around?

        Hmmm...seems a bit out of character. Harry's not a great liar; faking an accent seems like a stretch.

        I could see Marcone or Mab hosting peace negotiations...or hell, Mac. As to the other party...well, if not the Fomor then who? There's not a lot of long-standing hostilities in play right now. The White Court are ignoring it all, the Denarians are licking their wounds...Mavra and the Black Court, maybe? She hasn't been seen since Dead Beat

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        I'm sure Marcone knew Harry was gone. He's been working with Murphy's people to keep Chicago under control since Dresden "died," after all. Actually, it must have taken years to set up this scam with Mab and Hades. If he's been working with Mab that long it's entirely possible that he knew that Harry was never really dead.

        The mordite crown really was creepily badass.

        I imagine that bringing Ferovax's name back in was no coincidence. I suspect we'll see him again soon.

        It was the first time we've seen Lasciel like that. It was cool, but it does make you wonder what it would have looked like if she and Harry had actually bonded. Can't really see Harry doing the purple tentacle/skimpy outfit look. Sadly it looks like she may be out of the picture now. Both her coin and Ursiel's coin are apparently buried beneath tons of rock in the deepest most secure part of the Underworld. Gonna be hard to get those back into circulation. Then again you have to figure Hades will have some kind of cleanup crew down there fixing his vault before long. Though now we do have Harry and Lash's brain baby, which should be pretty interesting. I can't wait to find out more about her, actually. It's like Maggie has a half-sister.

        The Brit in the prison is interesting. The most popular theory seems to be that it's Merlin, that he locked himself away there at some point in the distant past. Seems too obvious to me, though. Another theory I like is that it was Harry putting on a fake accent to fool himself. Apparently Jim has hinted that there will be a time travel story at some point. So if Harry winds up stuck in the past somehow, he might decide that the best way back to his own time would be to go into stasis inside of Demonreach until the right moment came.

        The next book will apparently be called Peace Talks. Not sure who that will involve. From the Bombshells short story we know the only reason the Fomor would sit down to talk peace is so they could find a more convenient spot to stick the knife into someone's back. So I doubt it will be them. Maybe some of the other groups will sit down to form an alliance against the Fomor. So it could be peace talks with the white council, white court, winter court, we could even see Ferovax or Drakul showing up. Wouldn't surprise me to see Marcone and/or Mab hosting talks like that.

      • CapDac

        1 year ago

        Yeah, aside from the short story we haven't seen him at all since Changes. Did he even know Harry kicked the bucket?

        Loved the heist angle. A genre piece in a series with all these characters I really like. Awesome stuff. As soon as Harry described the code he was speaking in to Grey, I thought 'I am going to break my brain every time I reread this book now'.

        I noticed they deliberately pointed out how Hades is unfairly depicted in the media. Loved him playing with Cerberus. That whole scene was just awesome. The mordite crown gave me chills.

        The Maggie scene was BRUTAL. "Would you like to be my dad?" I had to set it down for a minute.

        Well, Butcher has said it'll go to an apocalyptic trilogy to cap the series off, and since they'd need the Grail to set it off, perfect angle for Nicodemus to show up again...I should get in on that thread.

        I also couldn't help but notice Ferrovax is among Marcone's clients storing things in his vault. I still wonder what that guy got at Bianca's party.

        Also - this was the first time we've seen Lasciel in full, right? She didn't hang around for long, considering how much of a presence she was in previous books.

        Also - what's the deal with the British inmate under Demonreach?

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        Yeah, we haven't seen Marcone for a while, unless you count that short story. I think he's changing a bit too. He's obviously becoming influential on the spooky side of things, and what's going on in Chicago must have taken a toll on him as well.

        I liked this one a lot. Classic heist style, complete with the fact that you have to read the book at least twice because Ascher and Grey both have a lot of lines that read completely differently when you know what they're hiding.

        I hadn't really considered it, but you're right, Harry does have some seriously heavy hitters in his corner at this point, including freaking Santa Clause. I loved the scene with him and Hades. In fact, it's nice to see Hades played as a decent guy for once.

        Lots of great moments in this one, in fact. I mean, Butters and his lightsaber of faith was hilariously awesome. Harry meeting Maggie actually had me tearing up. "Are you mad at me?" "Why would I be mad at you?" "Because you aren't ever here. Never, ever." Seriously got to me.

        Interesting theory that I brought up in the Jim Butcher thread: back in book 7 when Harry summoned the Erlking, he needed 5 items with a connection to the Erlking to use in the summoning. In Hades vault, they found 5 items relating to the Crucifixion. Hades says they're weapons, and Harry indicates that they are each powerful in their own right, but I was thinking that it's possible that their real power is what they can do all together. They may be setting it up for the literal Second Coming. Judgment day.

      • CapDac

        1 year ago

        So. Thoughts? Favourite set piece?

        I can't be the only one who thinks between Hades, Odin, Uriel and Mab, Dresden is packing up a severe league of powerful friends to back him up. Who next, Osiris?

        Also, was that the first time Harry and Marcone crossed paths since Changes?

      • datalaughing Always Right

        1 year ago

        In more ways than one.

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      1 year ago

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    • CapDac

      2 years ago

      My copy of Skin Game has been ordered and despatched, hopefully arrive this week. Might be next. No idea. Been reading the series from the start again; just got up to Death Masks. Seems fitting that'll be the last one I read before Skin Game arrives, since it's Nicodemus's first appearance.

      Meanwhile, the guy I'm lending them to at work just finished Dead Beat and had a good chuckle about the Tyrannosaur

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        I remember reading about her as a kid. Suffice to say the authors of those dinosaur magazines did not mention using her as a steed.

        Hopefully mine comes quick enough so you don't beat me by too much

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Haha, who doesn't love Sue? I actually saw her when I was in Chicago. I was looking for somewhere to spend some time, and the Field Museum and the Shedd Aquarium were right there next to each other, and I was like, uhoh, Harry has fought bad guys in both of these places, which one should I go to? Ended up in the museum. Nice place.

        I re-read a lot of the books last month in preparation for Skin Game. Though since then I've read a bunch of other stuff too. I pre-ordered a signed first edition of the book, but that probably won't be here for a while. So I'll end up getting the e-book tomorrow, probably. Because waiting is just not an option. Too excited.

    • kaosblack21 RTX Guardian v2.0

      2 years ago

      Hey! Looks like we will be living together for a week in few months. Are you pumped for the House of Awesome Friends at RTX this year? I can't wait to hang out with you and everyone else. It's going to be some fun times!

    • CapDac

      2 years ago

      HE FUCKING DIED?!

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Valid, I guess, but her ambition and ability to work from the shadows seems uncanny given how high profile the Raiths tend to be around each other.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        I think of Lara had been working for the bad guys when Raith Deeps went down, she would have had no reason to save Harry. She could have stepped through the portal and left him to die and been all, oh, what a shame. I think she, like Marcone, is just out for herself. Also important to remember that most people don't know how important Lara is. I could buy that Papa Raith was involved in some conspiracy before Lara got control over him, but they would t have had much reason to try and recruit Lara.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Unrelated, but hilarious, I just found this:

        In Changes, there's a minor mention that Harry has seen Chandler (the British wizard that looks like John Steed) making tea for the other Wardens. At the time, it just seemed like Harry was making the point that Chandler is one, nice, and two, very British. Until you realize that that means all the other Wardens trust him enough to make them food. Think about that. Morgan let someone else make him a drink. Chandler suddenly becomes ten times more awesome.
      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        It could all be Nemesis acting in the background, but that seems a bit of a cop-out. Butcher would have to really sell it for that premise to fly. Couldn't just make it come out of nowhere. Granted, Butcher could easily do that (and it's not like he hasn't got time to try) but at present it seems kind of flat compared to some of the other stuff that's gone on.

        Yeah, Elaine has ulterior motives, and she isn't gonna survive the series. Calling that one now. As to the rest...yeah, I can see Ramirez and Ebenezar being part of it. You're right in Ebenezar's deflection in setting up the Grey Council, and if Nemesis basically enhances someone's desire to do good to the point that they'll do something bad to achieve their goal, then you could make the argument of dropping the Council into Mexico to help out his grandkid and great-grandkid as an extension of that. The other person with some clever misdirection could be Lara. There was the whole attack in the Raith Deeps, but Nemesis or the Black Council or whoever could simply have been making sure they had people on both sides of the White Court, and given that Harry and Lara sometimes team up, she'd be more valuable to them than Vitto.

        Does the Merlin hate Ebenezar? They don't get along but I never thought it was outright hatred, just displeasure he was still around. As to who else...Eb and Donar are the only confirmed...how much of a shocker would it turn out if Nicodemus was one? He all but told Harry that the Black Council (again, or whoever) ran goals counter to his own, especially after some of them infiltrated his ranks, so he might have thrown in his lot with the people working at extinguishing them. Ebenezar could have worked that recruitment. Track the bastard down, have a drink, and mention the trouble he's having with the Black Council. Think Tony Stark talking to General Ross: "What if I told you we were putting a team together?" It's a stretch, but not outside the realm of possibility.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Cristos seems like a decent candidate. Though now that we know that Nemesis is behind this stuff, there may not actually be a Black Council. I mean, we pictured it as Cowl and Vitto and Peabody and maybe Bianca and Mavra and whoever else all meeting in a room to plot things. Vitto and Madrigal even referred to it as The Circle, but if Nemesis is controlling some or all of these people, and all Outsiders work together toward a shared goal without needing to talk about it, then there may be no Circle or secret meetings. It was so organized that Harry assumed that it must be an organization, but if Nemesis can move it's different pieces simultaneously, it might just seem that way.

        As far as people we know that might secretly turn out to be evil, whether infected by Nemesis or not, I don't trust Elaine. Ramirez is too good and too nice for how young he is. So I am suspicious of him. I do trust Murphy, even if Harry was suspicious of her a bit this book. And you know there will probably be someone who you'd never expect who will turn out to be infected. My theory is Ebenezar. Creating the grey council was the perfect way to seem like you were trying to help and get people on your side while at the same time helping accomplish what the bad guys have been trying to do all along, break the white council apart.

        I think a more interesting question might be who is on the grey council? I think the Merlin might secretly be in there. Sure, he's an ass and everything, but there's no way he's stupid enough to not see what's going on in the world. Even if he hates Eb and Harry, he might be willing to throw in with people trying to fix things where he doesn't have to deal with White Council politics and infighting which probably tie his hands a lot. That's another of those things that the reader would never expect but would make sense.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Cowl really needs to come back into it. Need to work out what the hell his endgame is.

        Any thoughts as to who else may be Black Council? Given how long in advance Peabody was set up, I find it hard to believe we haven't met any other members besides Cowl and Vittorio yet.

        Bloody hell. He planned this shit well in advance.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Well, Cowl said that he and Kumori were the cloaked figures at the party. I don't remember if we see then hand the dagger off to Bianca. They're on the Dias when she's handing out gifts and one of them definitely hands her the box she gives to Ferrovax. Other than that I'm not sure. Fun fact, Lea mentions at that party all the way back in book 3 that she finds Michael's oldest daughter interesting.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        That makes sense, I guess. I'd forgotten that Sells, Denton and Kravos all had it before the knife got passed to Lea. I can't remember, was it stated that Cowl was the one who gave Bianca the knife to pass on? Would fit neatly, since Cowl is the only still-living confirmed Black Council member out there. Not sure what I think of Justin being an initial bearer, but I could see it fitting. He wants to defend against the outer darkness, possibly a mistake he had caused and wants to right, so he brings together people with the power to help and puts them through hell to call upon their talents.

        Sweet. Will Google it

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Well, we know that Nemesis was in the world before the dagger, because Lilly clearly implies that Victor Sells from book 1 and the FBI guys from 2 were infected. The dagger is just how they slipped it to Lea (which means Cowl and Kumori must have has it before then too). So if Justin was infected and Elaine got it from him, the question is, what was Justin up to? He might be the dark wizard who opened the outer gates and let it in in the first place, since we know mortal magic must open the way. It would be interesting if it turned out he started it. There were a lot of people theorizing that Elaine was secretly Kumori, but I don't buy that one.

        Also, Elaine tells Harry that Justin's mind magic messed her up and made her so scared and paranoid that she ran to the summer court (specifically Aurora) for protection. The business in Summer Knight was Aurora calling in the favor.

        He reads the first 4 chapters of Skin Game, and he puts some energy into it too. It's funny.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Just the realisation that Demonreach probably could, if he wanted to. I half-expected him during his fight with Maeve and Lily to just go "ENOUGH" and smack them into the water. Demonreach is an interesting creature. I really like watching him operate. Although I keep picturing the Man-Thing whenever I think of him, which I know is way off.

        It's possible, I guess. Nothing to really indicate either way until we learn more about the Blackstaff's background, and how Ebenezar got that job, which is something Harry has never asked.

        Didn't Aurora hire Elaine after she started setting her plot in motion? I could be wrong on that one but I thought it unfolded that way. Entirely possible if I'm wrong, though. Although it does beg the question of how Elaine contracted it, Since Mab stated pretty plainly that Lea brought it to the Fae world with Bianca's gift, I can't see how Elaine could have caught it, before or after.

        Haven't looked that up. Sounds worthwhile, though. How many chapters?

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        I think my favorite moment of the book is Harry saying to Demonreach, "If our guest pulls that trigger, take her below and keep her there." Very badass.

        Some other interesting theories that have come up since Cold Days came out:

        Mother Summer me tons that Mother Winter doesn't get out much because she lost her walking stick. A lot of people seem to think that her walking stick is the Blackstaff.

        Speaking of those two, Mother Summer indicates that the two if them share their most powerful name. Lots of possibilities flying around about that. My theory is they're Gaia.

        Since anyone could potentially be infected by Nemesis, there's a lot of to about who might be. I doubt Murphy or Thomas would be. They've had too many opportunities to betray Harry when he's been about to screw up one if the Adversary's plans; even just in this book. A popular suggestion, though, is Elaine. Justin DuMorbe could have been infected (explaining why a respected warden of the white council went heavy into black magic), then he could have gotten Elaine (who, Jim has confirmed was born, like Harry, under circumstances that could give her power over Outsiders, which is why Justin adopted them both), and the Elaine could be how it got to Aurora to begin with.

        You should google jim reading the beginning of Skin Game if you haven't. It seems like it's gonna be fun.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        True that. Any money that will come into play in the apocalyptic trilogy.

        There's still the possibility that the parasite Harry has is Nemesis. It isn't like they haven't had ample opportunity to infect him with it. I dunno if it's Lash, I think that storyline is firmly tied off.

        Interesting theory. Why would Mab want that option open though?


        And one of the greatest parts of Cold Days is Mother Winter describing Mab as a romantic, and Harry thinking "Well, that sums you up perfectly, lady."

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Well, you understand him better, at any rate. His gatekeeping is srs bsns.

        And, of course, the book is full of reveals that kind of change the complexion of the overall story. Nemesis is a thing. Molly becomes the winter lady. Harry had a brain parasite (popular theory is that it's Lash preparing to make a comeback). My own personal theory is that both Mab and Santa/Odin have been hinting at Harry that there's a way out of this thing for him and maybe for Molly. At the end Santa says that many mantles or masks are put on or taken off on Halloween. So that's the obvious bit. Mab makes a more subtle statement. At Harry's party Mab says that no knight has talked to them like that since the days of Tam Lin. If you read the wiki entry on Tam Lin, it actually fits with what Santa said.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        My thoughts about the Gatekeeper...didn't change as much, I guess. I kind of figured he had some bigger role to play, but although it wasn't the role I would have guessed, it's not like he's an out-and-out villain or anything, so he's still pretty well as I thought. Just has a hell of a job

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Aaaaaand that's Cold Days. Now I am current.

        That one was good. I liked how he didn't just jump straight back into everything. He's pacing it out. I like it. And the primary villain...hidden depths. Startling, I guess.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Fair enough

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        I think your thoughts about the Gatekeeper will change by the end of Cold Days. So I'll leave it at that for now.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        What's your take on the Gatekeeper himself? If you can discuss that without revealing anything about this book

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Yeah, it's awesome when the island is like, "CORRECT, WARDEN." And Harry suddenly realizes just how badly he may have fucked himself over by connecting with the island. The Gatekeeper was not lying about that.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Demonreach as a whole is a fascinating concept. Right from the get-go Harry knew something was off about the place, when Nicodemus and co were hanging out on it, but every visit since then has been fascinating. His confrontation with the spirit of the place (or whatever) was awesome, in the literal sense.

        And now I know its purpose, everything buried beneath it. Bloody hell.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Yeah, I feel like Thomas's scene really hits the right emotional chords. And, of course, that's followed up by their trip to Demonreach, which is quite interesting.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Just got to Thomas's. Felt fitting. And it was bizarre how easily Thomas upended Harry's belief that he had sone the right thing, yet it all made perfect sense

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        So now that we're talking about it I've started reading Cold Days again. Love this book, particularly some of the reunion scenes.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Well, no. None of it is, really. They covered how literature is put out to cover bases and spread awareness, and Harry wondered about Disney, and they briefly mentioned adapting. Then they mentioned Halloween's function changing over the years. If days and stories can do that, why not the people in them?

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Well, I don't know about the Easter Bunny, but if you know anything about the origins of Santa, then, after hearing what he said about how beings like him evolve over the centuries, you can tell that he's not exactly what he seems.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Bloody hell, now I'm expecting the Easter Bunny to show up

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Haha, I love the bit with Santa. Sarissa is all, "OMG, you're such a fanboy, Dresden!"

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Valid point, I guess. I just saw him turn up with Santa in Cold Days. Didn't see that coming. And he seemed pretty casual about the whole thing then. For that matter, so did Harry.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        You may be right. I guess I'm basing my idea off of the way he talks to Harry. He's like, I'd just as soon feed you and let you be on your way, and he's very good-natured about it when Harry catches him out on calling them guests. He never acts like he actually dislikes Harry. That doesn't mean he wouldn't kill him, of course, but it also doesn't give the impression that he's got a personal beef there.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        I dunno...after Harry got back, Lea gave him a hell of a reprimand for going there, explicitly citing the Erlking's grudge. She understands Fae nature to the nth degree, so if she was that worried about it, I'd say there's cause for concern

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        See, after Changes I feel like he's kind of over having a grudge against Harry. He seems to respect Harry as a fellow hunter, and, yeah, he might be interested in hunting Harry at some point in the future If he gets the opportunity but no more than he'd be looking forward to hunting any other interesting prey. It ink it may not even really be in his nature to hold on to a grudge for long, because all he really cares about is doing his thing.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Well the argument could be made he's rarely 'ready' to run into half the people he does. Honestly I'd say he wasn't really ready to run up against Nicodemus, the Skinwalker or the Red King, but he did. Still, valid point.

        I could see the Eebs surviving the extinction event, but survivng the Erlking is another matter entirely. That was another excellent scene in an excellent book. When he turned up my jaw hit the floor. It would take an act of god for them to get away from him. I await the day he'll be the primary antagonist of a book. It'll have to happen at some point. His grudge is going to boil.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Mwahaha, yes, spread the infection!!

        I agree about Ferrovax, I keep waiting for him to reappear, but with the way he handled Harry, it seems like his power level may be on parr with some of these old gods like the red court's lords of the outer night or whatever pretentious thing they called themselves. So Harry may not have been ready to run into him again yet.

        Speaking of the red court, a popular theory is that Esteban and Esmerelda survived their species being wiped out, since they were in the never never at the time. They're so fun and insane, I think I wouldn't mind seeing them again.

        Post edited 3/12/14 8:32AM

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Sweet. So far that thing about the dagger is all I know about it. That and Ferrovax isn't in it. I am eagerly awaiting that bastard's reappearance. I might have gone hunting for that particular detail, but apparently he won't turn up again until this supposed apocalyptic trilogy.

        I've got one of the guys at work into these books too. He borrowed Storm Front, finished it over the weekend. I gave him Fool Moon and Grave Peril today.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        I forgot about the He Who Walks Behind bit. That was good, if only because Harry has referred to that encounter so many times and we never really knew what happened.

        And, yeah, Cold Days is the last novel out until Skin Game drops this May (there's a YouTube video out there of Jim reading the first 4 chapters of Skin Game at some con, and it sounds like it's going to be amazing). I think you'll like Cold Days. Some big questions answered.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        If you could send those stories, that would be great. Marcone hasn't been around much lately and that story in particular is the one I'm hankering for.

        I keep seeing these oblique references to Harry hanging out with Bigfoot and having cocoa with him, or whatever. I kept wondering what the hell all that was about. Really want that.

        I've got no problem with using a previous supporting villain as the primary villain for the story, and in the context, Corpsetaker was a pretty good fit. But her plot just ultimately wasn't that interesting. Regrouping and coming back to life. Big deal. It's been done. And admittedly, I knew it probably wouldn't happen this way but I did kind of hope Harry's return to life (we all knew it was coming) would be from consuming Corpsetaker much as she'd consumed all the spirits he brought.

        Agreed, seeing Murphy and Molly broken down so much was pretty fucking harsh. Granted, it all made sense within the context of the story, and I get why Harry had to drop in well after the fact, but it was a lot to take in all at once. Add that to the shadowy backdrop of the fomor thing, which again, I can't figure out, and there was so much going on it was hard to take in.

        Gonna start on Cold Days tomorrow. Then as I understand it, I'm up to speed, side stories notwithstanding, yes? I've had one detail spoiled to me, that being it somehow involves the knife Lea got from Bianca, but beyond that...well, I'll find out. Glad he's alive, though. It'll be easier to work out what the world is like. Luccio, Ebenezar, the Merlin and the rest. I'm keen to see that lot.

        I must have just interpreted the end of Turn Coat, then. Again, once I read the later books, I'm sure I'll see it immediately upon re-reading. Although they already covered why he was barely in Ghost Story; Harry would remember covering up his suicide from his brother, which would fuck him up.

        The one thing which Ghost Story got absolutely amazingly, though, was the flashback to his encounter with He Who Walks Behind. That was fucking insanity.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        There is a Marcone perspective story, but it was published just after Side Jobs. So it didn't make it in. It's called Even Hand, and I think I've got an electronic copy somewhere that I could send you if you like. Also not in Side Jobs is the newest short called Bombshells, which is from Molly's perspective and set between Ghost Story and Cold Days. I've got that too. Both of those shorts deal with the Fomor and explain a little more about them. Though they continue to be pretty mysterious. Also not in Side Jobs is a trilogy of short stories about Harry and Bigfoot. Those are pretty fun as well.

        Ghost Story is, hands down, my least favorite of the books. I thought the bad guy was weak (and lets admit it, straight-up recycled from a previous book). I also hated seeing what has happened to Murphy and Molly. Meeting Murphy's dad was interesting, and I loved pretty much everything from the moment he went into Molly's head and saw her whole Star Trek thing until the end. The reveal of who engineered his murder blew my fucking kind. I never saw it coming. Finding out what happened to his daughter and Mouse really got me. Everything between the beginning and the end of the book I didn't really enjoy, which was even worse after waiting so long since Changes came out. If Ghost Story hadn't been followed by Cold Days, which I fucking love, I might have gotten discouraged with the series. Cold Days is wall-to-wall badass, IMO.

        As for Thomas, there is a Thomas-perspective story in Side Jobs, but it's not about that. The end of Turn Coat did kind of seem like it was making him a bad guy, but in the end, it's more like he was a recovering addict that fell off the wagon. In Cold Days you'll see a bit more of how he's trying to balance the two parts of himself instead of going all one way or another and even get a good explanation for why he appeared so little in Ghost Story.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Changes is easily one of my favourites so far. Wall-to-wall action, great character moments, some fantastic gags (Mouse threatening Lea was goddamn amazing) and some nice little bits tying it together. I liked how it turns out Arianna's plot wasn't about Harry at all; he isn't the centre of the universe at all, so sometimes he's just caught up in it all. That said, two things about the book that will stick out forever in my mind: when Esteban meets Harry in his office building, screams in terror and runs like hell, and then...Martin's revelation. Holy god. The lengths the man could and did go to. Just...mind-boggling.

        I can only imagine how livid the fans must have been. It would have been like after Batman died in Final Crisis. Everyone would have railed against it. Hell, the only thing that stopped me from doing it was the fact that the next two books were sitting on my shelf.

        Speaking of...I finished Ghost Story about a minute ago. Personally I think it was one of the weaker books. There were some truly great moments in there - Butters and Daniel taking on Aristedes, Mort doing...just about anything - but on the whole I feel like I'm only glimpsing it. Primarily, because not only do we have the sideshow of Harry figuring out the rules of being dead, which were interesting but got wearying after a time, but also because there's this whole background of conflict with the fomor (it even seems kind of like there was that 20 year jump you mentioned, to a post-apocalyptic future, even though it was only a fraction of that time), and I still have no fucking idea who or what the fomor are. Are they Atlanteans? Are they mermen? That's the closest I could get. Everyone is freaking out about them when the main plot isn't moving, without giving us any details, and it's getting bloody distracting. I get the feeling it will be better on re-reading, after I have a better idea of the things that have happened in the intervening months, but for the moment it was a bit disjointed. Plus, it didn't help that most of the characters weren't in it anywhere near as much. We barely saw Mouse or Thomas.

        On the topic of Thomas...I dunno. He was the down note of Changes. Mainly because the ending of Turn Coat seemed to indicate he was going to become a lot more villainous than he actually wound up being in Changes and Ghost Story, but ultimately he just seemed...pretty well like he always did. Does that get cover in Side Jobs? The only story I've actually read in it was the Murphy story, which was cool but didn't answer any of my questions about the fomor. (Also, I know you mentioned a Marcone story, but it doesn't seem to be in my copy of Side Jobs)

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Really, all of Changes is just hitting you with one loss after the other. It's crazy, right from the first sentence where Susan is like, "They've taken our daughter." Then, on the other side, there are so many awesome moments. Mouse threatening Lea, Harry meeting Odin, the crystal from his mom was a new luttle toy that i absolutely loved, and, of course, Harry being all winter knight badass. I have a very love/hate thing going on with Changes.

        After Changes came out, there were some pissed off fans. People were asking Jim Butcher, "how could you leave it on such a cliffhanger?" And Jim was like, "he's dead, how is that a cliffhanger?" And all sorts of theories were going around, like maybe the series was gonna jump 20 years into the future and be about Maggie instead.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Yeah, I can see that. Especially since it came out of fucking nowhere. It was already a bittersweet ending, and then, BOOM.

        And all I can think of is the scene two books previous, where Thomas saves him from Deirdre off Demonreach Island, and during their banter makes the wry comment "Next time I'm leaving you in the water."

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Ah, got to the end of the book, did you? Now imagine getting to that bit and having to wait over a year for the next book.

    • CapDac

      2 years ago

      You said Side Jobs comes after...Changes, was it? Currently on Small Favour. Really digging Nicodemus

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Yeah, Mouse is just confounding. He's like the wisest character in the book when he's not licking people's faces.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Yeah, the loss of his protection from them a tough hit, especially with Lara practically licking her lips when she notices them together. I like the Gatekeeper a lot, especially a little later, but the moment on the Island where he and Harry talk things out is probably my favorite part of that book. Especially when Rashid realizes what Harry has done and is like, don't thank me, it might have been kinder to kill you.

        Mouse getting shot just made me want to kill Morgan too. I love Mouse. Still it almost makes up for it when you find out Mouse was pretending it was worse than it was to teach Molly a lesson. And, yeah, those are always funny when Harry comes home. Especially when he's like, "Consider who this is coming from, have you ever thought about talking to work out your problems?" And everyone is embarrassed.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Also, Harry constantly coming back to his apartment and finding Morgan and Molly at each other's throats, with only Mouse stopping shit from going down, was hilarious. At least up until Mouse got shot.

        Also, the Gatekeeper may yet be one of my favourite characters. For some reason, he reminds me of Elodin. I think it's the "odd one out on the senior council" thing.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        I liked how Harry's plan to catch him only suceeded because of a technicality Harry was not yet aware of. He got so bloody lucky. And yeah, the Black Council planned for a lot of eventualities and got away with it. Plus, with Peabody down, it's not like they can question him.

        Morgan went out like a boss. I was astonished. It had all the hallmarks of a former enemy-turned-friend dying saving the hero, but goddamn, after all we've seen Morgan do, it was just amazing. Especially since he had to drag his horribly wounded arse all that way, keeping pace with them, and then catch up.

        To be honest, the worst thing about Luccio is the fact that it means Harry is no longer protected from the White Court vampires by Susan's love, a fact which Lara is very much aware of, and the loss of that protection was all for nothing. Jesus.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Yes, yes you did. I was impressed. Though what I really liked was Harry's plan for getting him. Very clever. Better still, though, was the plan that the bad guys were running. When I got to the end of that book i realized that if Harry was right at the end and the new senior council guy is a bad guy, then they had an incredible plan, like a Xanatos Gambit set up. Even when their plan to start a white council civil war failed miserably and their traitor was exposed, they still won.

        It was kind of sad to loose Morgan after everything, but the guy went out like a bamf. The thing with Luccio, though, was so fucked up. Harry cannot catch a break.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Just finished Turn Coat. FUCKING CALLED IT

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Really? I vastly enjoyed that one. Partly because that's where everything really picked up, but also because that was where, for the first time ever, Harry cut loose and we began to see what he was really capable of. He fucking annihilated a legion all coming at him.

        Also I liked Michael and that dragon talking shit at each other.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Grave Peril is a weird book. Not one of my favorites. I mean, there's some great moments, but overall I didn't like it that much, certainly not once I'd read Summer Knight, which was so great. Yet, Grave Peril is really where everything kind of starts. All these big things in the series have roots in the party. We first meet Thomas there. The vampire war starts there. Cowl and Kumori are hanging out, passing out party favors like the dagger that Lea walks out with. Even Susan sort of starts her real journey there. Not a great standalone book, IMO, but a really important one overall.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        I dread what I'll find when he gets out of Edinburgh

        Someone mentioned it to me when I was halfway through Fool Moon, so I've been paying attention throughout. It's fun trying to see how many different meanings I can extrapolate from it all.

        Been tearing my room apart looking for my copies of Fool Moon and Grave Peril and I can't find them. Damn it!

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        I love Molly in Turn Coat. She's finally getting her head on straight, and here's Morgan to put that to the test, and it's like Harry can't leave the room for five minutes without trouble starting.

        You know, it's funny. I never noticed the pattern in the titles, that they're all two words with the same number of letters in each word, until Changes. It really is kind of jarring, lets you know, this book is gonna be different.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Yeah, I get the feeling this book-long confrontation with Morgan is one that Butcher was itching to write for a long time, but wanted to hold it off A) so the traitor has enough time to do shit before getting unmasked and B) so Morgan could appear for several books and develop the relationship. Nothing about it has felt forced; it's all purely in-character but so damned entertaining. He and Molly in the shed together is a powderkeg

        I can already tell Changes is gonna be fucked up. Twelfth book in the series and suddenly the two-word title pattern is dropped? Serious shit has gotta go down

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        I like Turn Coat largely because Harry and Morgan really dislike each other so much, yet Harry being the kind of guy he is can't help but help. They hang a lampshade on it in like the first page when Morgan shows up and Harry is like, "You've got to be kidding me!" As I'm sure you've already picked up on half the book is written kind of like a White Council political thriller, which is an interesting approach.

        You'll have to let me know what you think when you get to the end of this one and after you read the first sentence of Changes. Jim Butcher really knows how to ramp things up. One page into Turn Coat and it's already like, oh, man, this is bad. Then one sentence into Changes and you can already see what a total mind fuck you're in for.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Yeah, for the attempted poker face, Nick lets his guard down a few times in the book. And torturing Ivy was just fucked up.

        I wouldn't expect you to. But it's gotta be Peabody. He's been hanging around since Summer Knight, doing very little beyond being mentioned in passing in, what, four of the books or so, and this is a series where if you rate a mention in two books at least, you have a huge part to play. And he's clearly the least suspected person, since he's just a bloody bookkeeper, but who better to slip information to the enemy than the one controlling it? And when he finally got a speaking part like a chapter ago from where I'm at, he gets McCoy to sign a few papers and then walks off, and Harry is derogatory to him as just a paper-pusher, and McCoy speaks for his usefulness during the war, and my alarm bell just started blaring. He's the patted-on-the-head, good-job, thanks-for-trying, thanks-for-doing-this-boring-shit-while-the-big-boys-take-off-heads-and-eviscerate-monsters guy, and regardless of whether those characters are content with that position or not, they ALWAYS wind up antagonists.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        The blasting rod thing is interesting because when you reread it (and I've read them all several times cause I'm like that), there's hints all throughout, the most obvious being just before Michael asks about it and Harry is like, "Oh good, you got my staff. These are a huge pain to replace. Much harder than ... what was I saying?"

        Other great moments include Nick meetin Mouse (Mouse is seriously one of my favorite characters, awesome dog writing), and I love Ivy as well, them sort of torturing her really got to me.

        I, of course, will not confirm or deny, but who do you think the traitor is at that point?

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Bugger all. Still got two books before I'mma sit down with the short stories. Oh well. Guess Michael will have to wait

        Black Council, yeah. That conspiracy is building, but at this point the only person we know for sure is a member and still definitely alive is Cowl. Although, I'm only a hundred pages into Turn Coat, and I'm all but certain I know who the White Council traitor is. So there's that. I do like how Nicodemus is unconnected to it all. His reaction when Harry mentioned the Hellfire at Arctis Tor was bloody terrifying. It's better knowing not every antagonist is all lined up perfectly. Another reason I like Marcone, I guess.

        I didn't pick the blasting rod thing at all. Once I was aware of it, I knew who was behind it, but up until Michael asked the question I didn't notice a goddamned thing. Flipping back, it's true, he never once brings it up, or even the thought of using his own fire, so it was relly well-played.

        The thing that made me laugh about the mouthwash comment was the fact that it seemed familiar; I flipped back through Storm Front, and Harry said the same thing after Morgan gave him mouth-to-mouth. I enjoyed wondering if knowing that would have pissed off Lara more or less, being compared to that grumpy bastard. But yeah, Lara's definitely one of the more dangerous villains. She's less charismatic than a lot of the others, but then I guess that's exactly the point; if she was on the same level as Nick or Bianca or even her father, her cover would collapse within minutes

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Yeah, Eldest Gruff was great. I love Harry hearing him just wreck Magog and then waiting for him, continually aiming higher and higher, anticipating where his head will be and being like, man, how far does this guy have to walk?! The whole thing on the island is intense and great, I especially like when he punches Nick in the throat, strangles him, and dumps him in the lake. Michael being horribly injured, not so much. BTW, you don't really hear much about Michael's condition in the books anytime soon, which drove me nuts at first, but once again there's a short story kind of dedicated to that.

        I loved the fight in the aquarium, even though Harry loses his cool and screws the whole thing up, and they're really building into the conspiracy stuff, with even Nicodemus being on the outside looking in (if you can believe anything he says, that is).

        Did you pick up on Harry's blasting rod being missing early in the book? I kept wondering about it, but the truth of it never occured to me before they reveal his head had been messed with.

        The fight in the Deeps in White Night is great, just wall to wall action, but what I really love is the stuff with Lara just before and after the fight. First finding out that Carlos is a virgin and Harry making fun of him constantly, then after we learn that Lara was secretly engineering the whole thing (except the super ghoul fight). I think she's an awesome bad guy, and then, of course Harry finally pushing her over the edge by asking for mouth wash.

        Post edited 3/05/14 5:19AM

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        I did wonder about that Billy and Georgia wedding reference. But then I got so swept up in that story I kind of forgot about it. OK, cool.

        Nicodemus is probably my favourite of the villains thus far, excepting Marcone. He's way more dangerous and horrific than a lot of the others, and it helps that he was the first (I think) primary antagonist to survive the first book he appeared in.

        Proven Guilty was bloody awesome. The movie monster stuff was great, but my favourite thing about it was how utterly astonishing it was to see Charity sack up and lead the charge into Arctis Tor, yet not at all out of character. I was on the edge of my seat for that whole thing, and it was a great way of developing that familial side of things. Really, anything to do with Michael's family is enjoyable. I don't think I haven't enjoyed a scene yet of them. Even the little things, like the girl calling Harry 'Bill', are just fantastic. White Night I didn't enjoy as much, but I still liked. Again, the presence of Cowl, who I still can't quite put my finger on, was a bit of a damper, and the minute Harry spied on the two unknown figures, I called Madrigal immediately. Something tipped me off within an instant and so I wasn't as surprised when he showed back up. And I felt kind of shortchanged when the Skavis figure didn't get much screentime as himself. That said, the New Mexico flashback was one of the most mind-blowing moments of the series, and the entire fight in the Raith Deeps didn't let up for a minute. I actually laughed with glee when Thomas and Hendricks were fighting back-to-back against the ghouls.

        Finished Small Favour last night. It's easily one of my favourites of the series; again, Nicodemus as a villain was awesome, and I liked the Thorned Denarian as well. It kept a steady pace, and the bit where Harry confronts the Eldest Gruff after it slaughters Magog, and they have a good laugh before getting down to business and Harry wins with a fucking DONUT, that whole scene had me in hysterics. I couldn't believe it.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Heh, Nicodemus IS a pretty awesome bad guy.

        Side Jobs was published after Changes, and the final short story in the book takes place right after the end of Changes, so if you want to read them all straight through, then that would be a good time to do it. The other short stories, though, are spaces throughout the previous books. You've already seen some oblique references to some of them. Like back in Proven Guilty when Harry wants information from Maeve, he talks about how she tried to screw up Billy and Georgia's wedding, which is one of the short stories in Side Jobs, and Gard says something to Harry in Small Favor like, "We worked well together at the beer festival." That's another of the stories. So they do fit into continuity earlier than Changes, but it's not like you're missing any huge story points. You can kind of read a lot of them whenever really. Just don't, under any circumstances read the final story in Side Jobs (it's called Aftermath) before reading Changes. Huuuuge spoilers.

        Anyway, what did you think of Proven Guilty and White Night? They're two of my favorites. I love the movie monster stuff and Molly's whole story in PG. I really just love Molly and was happy to see her getting a bigger role in the books. And I love White Night because I like Elaine a lot (even if I don't quite trust her), and I like the mystery and a lot of the action in that book, especially Harry's flashback to what happened in New Mexico, because that was seriously fucked up.

        Post edited 3/04/14 8:34AM

    • CapDac

      2 years ago

      Currently up to Proven Guilty. Quite enjoying this series, very much so. Although the White Council largely comes across as Billy once described the Guardians of the Universe on Retcast, with Dresden filling the Hal Jordan role: "OK, so last time Harry Dresden was right. And the time before that. And before that. But THIS TIME, we are RIGHT and Harry Dresden must go down!"

      That said, love the characters. Marcone, Murphy, Morgan (alliteration, har), Thomas, even Butters

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Pretty much. It went from "Don't fuck with McCoy's buddies" to "Holy shit stay the fuck away from this guy"

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Yeah. It's like, oh, in hindsight that makes complete sense. Though I didn't think that much about it at the time. It was just like, haha, suck it, Ortega.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        For some reason I felt oddly prepared for the Thomas relevation. Dunno why, but when that bomb was dropped, I was more thinking "Well there you go." But then the revelation of what McCoy really was sent me into "HOLY. SHIT."

        Which by rights should have been the other way round, considering that a mere one book previous, McCoy dropped a fucking satellite on Ortega.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Yeah, when you find out about him in, what, book 6? It's kind of a shocker. Of course, you've also just learned that Thomas is Harry's brother and Harry has gotten his hand burned to a crisp. So it's kind of like "WTF" overload at that point.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        Not sure I'd regard Evil Bob as a true villain, but you are right, that was a terrifying part of the book. Way back in the third book when Bianca had Bob in her possession I wondered what would happen if a villain got control of Bob. Now...well, I guess I know.

        Butcher has a talent for letting you re-evaluate characters like that. McCoy being the most gratuitous example.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        I agree that there were too many villains to really focus much on one. Grevane was kind of interesting, and, yeah, the snakeboy torture and then death scene was pretty cool. Corpsetaker I really didn't care much for, though the scene where she's trying to break into Harry's mind and he's working to keep her out is totally badass, and then Harry just executes her in Luccio's body and drives Morgan insane. I really just love so much about that book.

        If we're talking about which bad guy was most compelling, though, I'd have to say Evil Bob. The idea that that personality has been inside Bob somewhere this whole time. It really makes you reevaluate a character that you thought you knew all about.

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        ...that does make sense, I guess. Huh. Hadn't considered that.

        It just meant that, in terms of getting to know the characters, the most compelling villain was Cassius. And it wasn't until towards the end that it turned out he was even in it. (That was my favourite scene in the book though)

        Oh yeah, I loved the stuff about the Council and the war. Did not see that coming. Loved every second. Luccio was awesome.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        The Mavra thing is interesting in that book. I kind of think she wanted to stay hidden from all those necromancers because black court vampires ARE dead bodies. Probably best to stay away from people who can manipulate the dead. Might also be the reason she wanted the Word of Kemmler in the first place, to keep anyone who could use the information against her kind from getting it instead.

        Also, Harry becoming a warden and the war with the vampires taking a seriously dark turn for the wizards were cool little additions.


        EDIT: And, yes, Summer Knight was totally my favorite until 7, 8, and 9 came along. Great book.

        Post edited 2/19/14 4:32PM

      • CapDac

        2 years ago

        I was wondering about Mouse, and also about Mister. I get the feeling there's a lot more to both of them than meets the eye. Harry already started to get that thought about Mouse, but something keeps nagging me about Mister and his size and behaviour and backstory, that there may be something there. On the flipside, if there was something different, surely Bob would have noticed during one of his possessions.

        Dead Beat was good and I can see why a lot of people dig it, but for some reason I came away a bit unsatisfied. I think it's largely to do with the fact that Cowl and Kumori remained masked for it, since they were built up as faces that should be recognised, and there was no unmasking. I can only assume that they'll turn up again, dinosaur and backlashed incantation notwithstanding, but at the time I thought they'd both kicked it without that reveal. And, frankly, with villain duties spread between those two, Corpsetaker, Grevane, Mavra, Lasciel and Cassius, it seemed like there was too much going on to keep track of. Especially when Mavra pretty much disappeared for most of the book and all those thoughts of "if she sees me with such and such, she'll release the evidence on Murphy" amounting to nothing. That side of things seemed haphazard.

        Don't get me wrong, I still liked the book, but at this stage Summer Knight and Death Masks are my favourites.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Yeah, the white council are mostly just a bunch of assholes, but, actually, by the end of Proven Guilty it starts seeming like maybe there's another reason for that.

        Also, you're right in my favorite section of the books. 7, 8, and 9 are probably my favorites, well, and 14 I guess. I mean, in Dead Beat (7), Harry is riding a fucking zombie t-rex. Can't beat that. I love a lot of the characters, but now that you've got Mouse in the mix, I think he quickly turns into the most awesome.

    • Audrey Spread The Love!

      2 years ago

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      • Zack W^_^W

        2 years ago

        Excellent, you didn't call him your favorite forum mod. At least not publicly.

    • craZboy87 Guardian Hat

      2 years ago

      I feel like we just did the Eiffel Tower of jokes in the Guardian introductions thread.

    • Zack W^_^W

      2 years ago

      It's February, so love is in the air. And I wanted to say you're my favorite moderator on the site, tied with ragingterror (and myself). We've shared some good laughs in minecraft. I was so close to winning. It's not your fault she's a dirty cheater. So I thank you! And thanks for helping out with mod questions. And for stepping off your pedestal for a few minutes to talk to me and Edwin at RTX. And I think it's hilarious that you're listed in the RvB credits as Data Laughing, when we all know your real name is USURPER.

      • capnbirdman Likes Stars

        2 years ago

        That's precisely why Edwin. I like to stalk a few specific things very well rather than massive amounts of things poorly. You have to take pride in your work, man.

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        2 years ago

        Edwin, you were a cute little kid. I'm glad we are fakebook friends.

      • edwin it's been fun

        2 years ago

        I never upload anything though. Why look through my images?

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        2 years ago

        Yeah. I pretty much live in data's comments page. Also @Edwin's images. I float between the two. They're always open in my browser.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Some people just like to hang out in my profile. No shame in it. I'm a fascinating fellow.l

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        2 years ago

        Pretty creepy, cheater.

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        2 years ago

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        2 years ago

        I AM NOT A DIRTY CHEATER.

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        2 years ago

        Tis*

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        2 years ago

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        2 years ago

        You know what? That wouldn't look half bad in the credits either. Also, thanks!

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      2 years ago

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      So.... It appears you're not a mod here. These site glitches are getting worse.

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      2 years ago

      I'm so glad No Backspace is enjoying such lively posting and tagging of me. Wondrous. smiley3.gif

      • capnbirdman Likes Stars

        2 years ago

        That would involve searching for new forums to use.

      • Zack W^_^W

        2 years ago

        Jack pointed out that we can do the same thing to him in the 18 & Up forum if we so please.

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        2 years ago

        OH MY GOD, SOMEBODY JUST GIVE ME NINE LEVELS OF KARMA. YOU'RE ALL SO MEAN.

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        2 years ago

        Sorry, but you were just the perfect example for a point I was trying to make. Also I knew it would be funny.

    • RainbowStorm

      2 years ago

      It may say discussion in the title, but there is no discussion in that thread... I mean honestly

    • RainbowStorm

      2 years ago

      I can't seem to post in my thread so I will reply here, I wanted to make a discussion thread. I did not want to join a forum of pic and gif spammers

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Sorry, but it is the image and discussion thread, and the forum rules are only one thread to a show.

    • capnbirdman Likes Stars

      2 years ago

      Also, I'm still burning inside with fury that even though I played your map in order to help you with your gender equality statistics you want to be friends with Edwin more than you do me.

      Also also, is @cloudstrifeX the one who ruined Shopping List? (I blame all of my dying on him...partially because I can't really remember what happened and that seems easiest.)

      • capnbirdman Likes Stars

        2 years ago

        Victory.

      • capnbirdman Likes Stars

        2 years ago

        You accepted his friend request 18 years ago but never mine, traitor.

        Yeah...Zatch was like...super murdery that game. It's weird. He goes on murder tangents. Probably in real life too. smiley3.gif Now I've realized I can't go to RTX.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        I do?

        And, yes, that's my brother. He will probably be ok with you blaming him. Though I blame Zack for my shopping list deaths.

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      2 years ago

      What are the chances you got a screen capture of my sweet victory?!

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Oh, that would have been a good idea, wouldn't it? Must remember that for the future. Victory screen caps. Though you erected 3 pieces and then they ran over to murder you. So there wasn't much time for that.

    • Zack W^_^W

      2 years ago

      9PM sunday for MC? CST time.

      • Gorczy The Real Slim Shady

        2 years ago

        Yeah. I was going to use them to blow up the zombie pigman, and then you two were there, and one of you opened the door.... It would have worked, if it weren't for you meddling kids.

      • Zack W^_^W

        2 years ago

        Lame. I tried stepping on so many at the end to stop jen but they were all fakes. sadface. sadfake.

      • Gorczy The Real Slim Shady

        2 years ago

        There were traps? Oh yeah, the TNT. I came in the first time, and there was already blown up TNT. The on;y one which blew up in the game. After that I dug the rest up and died, so no wonder there weren't any in there.

        Yeah, you need too.

      • Zack W^_^W

        2 years ago

        The first room sucked because the traps weren't even real most of the time. Lame!

        I think I am going to work on screaming more manly.

      • Gorczy The Real Slim Shady

        2 years ago

        Well, it would have made the first rooms faster probably. Or slower depending on how much we killed each other. Yeah, it was a *nice* surprise, for Jen that is.

        Yeah... Data, you seriously need better internet. But honestly, as rich as my parents are, the fact that they don't want to get good internet kills me. I can't play these without lag, can't join the TFT podcast, watch live streams, etc...

      • Zack W^_^W

        2 years ago

        I don't think joining later or not really mattered. I had no idea the beds being ruined would let her win, I just thought it would be a nice surprise. Turns out I died first anyways.

        I'm sad that someone's internet made the whole night an exercise in frustration for me, but I still had a ton of fun despite that.

      • Gorczy The Real Slim Shady

        2 years ago

        We I did all the grunt work and killed everything and died a lot. I also tried to save it. I blame team Ack's loss on Zack entirely.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        She came in halfway through and still won. You guys should be embarrassed,

      • Gorczy The Real Slim Shady

        2 years ago

        GODDAMNIT @CAPNBIRDMAN!!! HOW COULD YOU LET HER WIN ZACK!!! YOU SCREWED US OVER BY MESSING THE BEDS UP!!!

        That was definitely a lot of fun though.

      • Zack W^_^W

        2 years ago

        y

      • Gorczy The Real Slim Shady

        2 years ago

        We still doing this?

      • Zack W^_^W

        2 years ago

        k

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        I have to work at 5 am Monday. So I couldn't stay long if we started 9 pm Sunday.

    • Thorenir

      2 years ago

      Happy Thanksgiving!

    • Zack W^_^W

      2 years ago

      minecraft anytime this weekend?

      • Zack W^_^W

        2 years ago

        Oooh la la. Well I have no plans tomorrow so I'm excited to see it! I wasn't on tonight...sorry if you were. :X

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        I've actually got a new minecraft map I've been working on. Play testing it at the moment. So y'all might want to give it a try.

      • Zack W^_^W

        2 years ago

        jeni and i and edwin might play tonight. she said 8pm CST but idk when my festivities will be over. shadowhound and edwin and jeni and i are all trying for sunday too.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Sure?

    • Zack W^_^W

      2 years ago

      are you free tomorrow (Monday) night around 7:30 central for Minecraft with capybaragirl and @Edwin and @Shadow_Hound and myself? She made a Dig Down map to play on.

      • Gorczy The Real Slim Shady

        2 years ago

        -1 Lame. Okay then. I've got no homework tonight so I should be good to go.

      • Zack W^_^W

        2 years ago

        also she was too busy to make a Dig Down map. (underestimated how long it would take to actually make is more like it--I don't blame her) so we'll be doing Shopping List instead since the setup is easy peasy.

      • Gorczy The Real Slim Shady

        2 years ago

        I can do that.

      • Zack W^_^W

        2 years ago

        @capnbirdman said 7:30pm CST

      • Gorczy The Real Slim Shady

        2 years ago

        My power's been out all day, but I've gotten my xbox and tv hooked up to the generator so I can play. What time are we playing tomorrow?

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Sure

    • Zack W^_^W

      2 years ago

      my mom got me Name of the Wind (first book) for my birthday. woohoo!

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Lol, yeah, I remember reading that for the first time after the whole arrow to the knee meme started, and I was like, hold on, no way. It does make one wonder.

      • Zack W^_^W

        2 years ago

        "Took an arrow to the knee" is from that book and was from 2007 so Skyrim references to IT? AWESOME TO THE MAX CONCURRED!

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Awesome. Awesome to the max.

    • Nixorbo

      2 years ago

      Did you get your Dresden Codak yet?

      • Nixorbo

        2 years ago

        I'm in it for the Caveman Science Fiction Theater.

        ME AM GONE TOO FAR

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Yeah, Bibliomancer, the $45 one, that's the one of mine that's arrived. I pledged for Dragonslayer as well, and I haven't gotten an email about that one yet. Though some people have been saying their stuff arrived without them ever receiving emails. Think you'll be satisfied when you get it, though. It's a beautiful book, even if it's ridiculously large.

        Post edited 9/28/13 10:18PM

      • Nixorbo

        2 years ago

        I haven't even gotten an email yet, Bibliomancer level.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Got my silver copy. No gold and other goodies yet. The book is ginormous.

    • edwin it's been fun

      2 years ago

      HAPPY BIRTHDAY OLD MAN!

    • monopoly_j Elevator's not worthy.

      2 years ago

      Happy Birthday!

    • Erkan Take It Easy.... bitches

      2 years ago

      For next RTX... didn't see you this time round.

    • DiMono It's Back Baby!

      2 years ago

      What the hell were you doing not being my friend on here? I call shenanigans on you, Sir. Shenanigans!

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        We weren't already friends on here? How odd. I accept your shenanigans call. Excuse me now while I engage in some tomfoolery.

    • Nicolas

      2 years ago

      May I ask about the seeming obsession with Lee Harvey Oswald?

      • Nicolas

        2 years ago

        Oh, for a second there I thought you supported him.


        ...Not saying you shouldn't. But I'm not saying you should, either.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Long story. Basically I needed an avatar once and a picture of LHO was the only thing I had available to use, and then people started knowing me by that avatar. So I kept it.

    • BigNiceJohn

      2 years ago

      Hey man, thanks for your comment asking for clarification. The outrage came from firing people and posting it it on Facebook, blindsiding two of the most respected members of the community here in Toronto instead of giving them a chance to either defend themselves, or simply resign quietly.

      I've been to every event in this city, as a host of 6 RvBTO's, attended twice, and helped the RTO guys a little bit, to give them a shot at making something great.

      I cannot stand by people being poorly by others in the community, and I shudder at the thought of an event here turning into another con.

      There's a lot more behind the scenes that I disagree with, and lead other members of RTO to resign, but I won't get into much more, because I don't want to get into shaming people on the internet, which is what I feel RTO has done.

      • BigNiceJohn

        2 years ago

        Yeah, it's unpleasant business to be sure, but it's something that will hopefully be dead and buried soon.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        Ah, ok. I think I understand a bit better now. Thanks for that!

    • cloudstrifeX

      2 years ago

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjBHFb0fZM

      Didn't know if you had seen this

    • Zack W^_^W

      2 years ago

      You talked about the TFT podcast and said that recording individual audio files and editing them together was weird. I agreed with that (it's 2013, for crying out loud), but I forgot what your alternative recommendation was. Rather than looking back on that thread a hundred million pages ago, I'm just going to ask you what you said and hope you remember. Do you remember? What was it?

      • Zack W^_^W

        2 years ago

        kk

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        There are several programs that will record everyone on a Skype call. You can probably just Google Skype recording or something. The best ones you probably have to pay a bit for, like I've got some friends who use Pamela to record stuff, and it works great, but I know there are free ones too.

    • Zack W^_^W

      2 years ago

      *invites data to this group*

      I kinda laughed inside when I saw it.

      • Zack W^_^W

        2 years ago

        You should join it and see if they even let you. hahahaha.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        My favorite group on the site, without a doubt. Now if they'll just use it, it will make the MLP thread a much happier place.

    • capnbirdman Likes Stars

      2 years ago

      Uh..."I had to go so deep to get you I needed more wood." Is that right? Is that what happened? I just need it to be recorded somewhere. I have a bad memory.

      • capnbirdman Likes Stars

        2 years ago

        Porny enough either way. And recorded for posterity now.

      • datalaughing Always Right

        2 years ago

        I don't remember exactly. I think it was like, "You're so deep that I had to go and get more wood."

    • Zack W^_^W

      2 years ago

      *invites data to every group on the site*

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