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Is downloading right or wrong?

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  • DarthDidious

    DarthDidious

    #2661814 - 13 years ago

    I thought I'd make a thread discussing the cases for and against downloading music for free off of the internet. Some countries have made it illegal, while others have had their supreme courts declare that it is in fact not in violation of copyright laws on the grounds that it is simply "sharing" music and no different from me lending you a CD to listen to.

    BUT

    DO NOT POST ANY LINKS TO SITES FOR DOWNLOADING MUSIC. That's strictly against the forum rules. I want this only to be a discussion about whether or not it is acceptable to have music available for free on the internet. If you make any posts with links to sites offering free music, I'll report you to the mods myself.

    Sooo...

    What's your opinion on downloading music?

  • Junkie_XXX

    Junkie_XXX

    #2661861 - 13 years ago

    I like dowloading music, but I only do it to find new bands. If I like them enough, I get the CD.

  • Dude23

    Dude23

    #2661897 - 13 years ago

    i think that it is okay for music but other stuff like games and application is where it get sticky..i just don't know. I'm sure most of the people do do it including me but it does have some pros and cons to it.

  • DemoncF

    DemoncF

    #2662117 - 13 years ago

    With Metal, its almost essential for the growth of a metal band. That, and a lot of metal fans are quite loyal, so if they like a band, they are going to buy their albums, as they know the time the band put into it and the money they NEED to make another album. So for the music I listen to, Downloading is very important, but for pop music, it probably hurts it.

  • DarthDidious

    DarthDidious

    #2662350 - 13 years ago

    In reply to DemoncF, #4:

    Of course you could argue that pop stars are so rich and they make so much money from other things like ad campaigns and clothing lines that its doubtful if downloading has any real impact on the amount of money they make.

  • Negadeth

    Negadeth

    #2662390 - 13 years ago

    You could also counter-argue and bring it full circle that it does affect their album sales, and thus whether or not they'll get those endorsements in the first place.

  • DarthDidious

    DarthDidious

    #2662465 - 13 years ago

    In reply to Negadeth, #6:

    That may be the case for new pop stars, but for the ones who are already established I doubt it. And its the ones that are already established that probably are downloaded the most.

  • Negadeth

    Negadeth

    #2662552 - 13 years ago

    And when their new album bombs at retail, what do you think happens to those endorsements?

    Besides, you're basing everything on the assumption that the artist in question is the only one who benefits financially from the albums sales.

    What about the retailers, distributers, promoters, etc.

    Or the people that help to record the album? The producers, engineers, studio owners, etc?

    Sure the artist might have other avenues of income, but not the digital artist who designs the album covers, or the photographer who takes the promo shots.

  • DarthDidious

    DarthDidious

    #2662564 - 13 years ago

    Sure I know about those people. They probably deserve all the profits since they're the ones who make the pop star's talent.

  • Negadeth

    Negadeth

    #2662570 - 13 years ago

    Right. So DemonCF's point still stands.

    Downloading probably hurts pop music.

  • MorrisseyMan

    MorrisseyMan

    #2662844 - 13 years ago

    I don't really have a problem downloading music off the internet.

    I don't listen to Pop, I listen to Jazz and Classical. I use downloading as a kind of "taster". I won't download the files in excessive amounts, but I download one or two songs, just so I get the feel of the music from that artist/composer. For example, I recently downloaded Autumn Leaves (a Jazz standard) played by Bill Evans (one of the most influential Jazz Pianists ever). I liked it so much, I went out and bought a CD of his. And it is now one of the best Jazz CDs in my collection (and I have heaps). I've done this with Dave Brubeck, Gershwin, and even my favourite, Chopin, became my favourite after downloading one of his pieces. I then went and bought a CD (or three).

    I only believe that it is wrong if you download too much.

  • DarthDidious

    DarthDidious

    #2663305 - 13 years ago

    I myself pretty much never download music. I always buy CDs.

  • SuperJoobie

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    #2663520 - 13 years ago

    Honestly, I think that DLing should be no issue. Let people do what they want, and people still buy CD's. God forbid you lose 1 million of you 10 million dollars right. " How the fuck can I raise a family on only 9 million dollars!!!!!"

  • acdcfanbill

    acdcfanbill

    #2663970 - 13 years ago

    i can think of dozens of cd's in my collection that i would not have bought w/o dl-ing them first. if you want a cd around here there are few places to get them, and 99% are rap/pop/country. the other 1% are well established non-mainstream bands. Once i've collected all the slayer and metallica cd's, unless i mail order or use the internet, i'm not getting anything else here. I find it difficult to order stuff that i havent looked at in a store or could listen too, and since stealing allows me to sample, i guess i'm a bad consumer whore. but they still need me :)

  • JCasablancas

    JCasablancas

    #2664152 - 13 years ago

    In reply to DarthDidious, #1:

    That's like asking..... is sex good or bad, eh? Morally speaking of course. EH?!

  • DarthDidious

    DarthDidious

    #2664832 - 13 years ago

    In reply to JCasablancas, #15:

    Sex is immoral? What????

  • Vlad

    Vlad

    #2664906 - 13 years ago

    I think it's wrong to do, becaues you're not really supporting the band, unless you've already bought their CD.

    But I still do it anyway.

  • Twelvestring

    Twelvestring FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    #2664924 - 13 years ago

    its like anything else in life. when done in moderation, downloading can be a good thing, for example i sometimes use it to find out if i like a cd before buying it, or to see if i like i particular band. if i do, they get money, and thats how it should work anyway.
    good bands = good music = get my money

    on the other hand, there are those who would type in an artist name, select all, and download the mass of files that insues. definitely not a good thing, its robbing everyone who worked on the music.

    i'm not saying you should be sued into servitude, or locked up for life for this kind of thing, but it is my opinion that downloading masses of music is wrong, and those who do it should have to pay the retail price for the files.

  • Barbaetus

    Barbaetus

    #2669201 - 13 years ago

    In reply to DarthDidious, #1:

    I don't think downloading music is wrong, if it was, why would there be free MP3 sites, which say it is totally legal.

  • DarthDidious

    DarthDidious

    #2669619 - 13 years ago

    In reply to Barbaetus, #19:

    Well some countries have made it illegal, and some haven't. Just because there are sites that offer it doesn't mean its legal. There are child porn sites too, but that doesn't make child porn legal does it?

  • mongoos

    mongoos

    #2672964 - 13 years ago

    Well downloading isn't all that bad in a basic since, because well most musicians have enough money to not need an extra few cd's sold.

    However to fuel our capitalist economy even though you may only buy a cd for one song, you should have to buy the cd anyway.

  • Barbaetus

    Barbaetus

    #2673017 - 13 years ago

    In reply to DarthDidious, #20:

    I got owned....

  • Barbaetus

    Barbaetus

    #2673021 - 13 years ago

    In reply to mongoos, #21:

    I dont have enough money, cause i'm poor, and job-less

  • DemoncF

    DemoncF

    #2673574 - 13 years ago

    In reply to mongoos, #21:

    You're assuming that all musical artists have achieved the financial success of say... 50-cent, Slipknot, Cher, Usher, etc.

    The members of Symphony X, who are enormously talented at their instruments and at composing music altogether, still have to hold down a day job. Remember that this is a band that's been around 10+ years, has 5+ albums, and is signed to a major label, AKA, can be found at your local Best Buy. Yet still has to keep day jobs.

    Don't assume everyone in the music industry is filthy rich and cheating you out of your money.

  • DarthDidious

    DarthDidious

    #2673795 - 13 years ago

    In reply to Cloud, #25:

    The rules say no discussion of illegal file sharing. This is not a thread that conspires to share files illegally, it is discussing whether the carrying out of file sharing is right or wrong. I made I point of asking DiMono about this before posting the thread, and he was fine with it. Now please, if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all.