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The Effects Of Child And Sexual Abuse...

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  • tommypotter

    tommypotter

    #5850806 - 12 years ago

    I'm here to discuss upon how we can get a stop to all this pain and suffering around the world. i've previously done a large presentation to the midlands community and im touring the UK to show everyone uopn how we can make a change and a stop to all this abuse that children of all ages have to put up with within thier lives.

    Tomas William Ridgway

  • DevilNuts

    DevilNuts

    #5850837 - 12 years ago

    I'd say not posting naked pictures of underage girls would be a good start.

  • mongoos

    mongoos

    #5851357 - 12 years ago

    In reply to DevilNuts, #2:

    Ditto to you sir.

  • Irishgirl15

    Irishgirl15

    #5851489 - 12 years ago

    How about not taking pictures of underage girls? That would be a good start. And having mandatory sentencing for child molesters. A lot of states don't have a minimum requirement for how long they should serve so some of them only get two or three years. Go read my journal Tommy.

  • Orcus

    Orcus

    #5853092 - 12 years ago

    It would be impossible to completely wipe out child abuse short of 24 hour surveillance, and likely not even then. The best methods seem to be:
    1. Education. Reaching out to kids, teachers, parents and the like, teaching them warning signs and symptoms, so that abuse is more easily recognised and hence reported.
    2. Police are becoming more active around the child porn circuit. Not far from me in St. Thomas, Ontario, police arrested a man for sexually assaulting a young girl and broadcasting it over the internet. He was arrested within 2 hours of posting the video. True, it's not prevention, but that's fast.

  • pal_sch

    pal_sch

    #5853518 - 12 years ago

    I would say that a destigmatisation would help.

    People today don't know the difference between a pedophile and a child molester. This means that pedophiles who have the impulses are not likely to seak profesional help because of the stygma they will be accepting. People who are not treated are more likely to later act on poorly surpressed impulses.

    Of course, most child molesters are not pedophiles at all, as they are not sexualy motivated crimes but power motivated crimes. As such, anti-pedophile measures are probably not the best place to start. Anti-child porn measures are good, as the abuse in the production of such videos and images is important to stop, but I would question how many of the people who download such stuff actualy would ever end up abusing a child themselfs.

  • DevilNuts

    DevilNuts

    #5854013 - 12 years ago

    In reply to tommypotter, #1:

    It's pictures like the one in your profile that add fuel to the fire for would-be child molesters and pederasts.

    Good job for trying to get your really really good friend mugged and raped. I'm sure she would appreciate that.

  • Kittiegirl92

    Kittiegirl92

    #5857695 - 12 years ago

    In reply to DevilNuts, #7:

    i don't care that he has that picture up and i'm not underage so there's no problem with him having it up.

    he's trying to have a serious forum conversation and all you can do is bash his profile pic? jeez grow up.

  • Juggalette

    Juggalette

    #5857941 - 12 years ago

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  • Batmantis25

    Batmantis25

    #5857989 - 12 years ago

    In reply to Kittiegirl92, #8:

    Perhaps you should grow up and quit being an online attention whore.

  • Mr_Jingoism

    Mr_Jingoism

    #5858037 - 12 years ago

    In reply to Batmantis25, #10:

    stop killing children this is srs bsns.

    In reply to Kittiegirl92, #8:

    were wiht u internets r srs.



    This really isn't a bad topic, but how about a new first post and a new avatar?

  • tommypotter

    tommypotter

    #5859262 - 12 years ago

    well what ever is up for disscussion feel free to put it up on here. i will enclose my presentation soon so you all can have a look at what i had to put up with for 5 ywars of my childhood.

  • DevilNuts

    DevilNuts

    #5859294 - 12 years ago

    In reply to tommypotter, #13:

    Too late. You will not be taken seriously.

    Better luck next time.

  • Spedley

    Spedley

    #5888241 - 12 years ago

    In reply to pal_sch, #6:

    Ok.. Excuse my stupidity once again but why do we remove the stigma of either. Both pray on children and are wrong. Shouldn't they be stigmatized more?

    Post edited 11/13/06 1:49PM

  • pal_sch

    pal_sch

    #5889791 - 12 years ago

    In reply to Spedley, #15:

    There is a difference between those who have the psychological attraction to kids, and those who actualy commit crimes. Pedophiles can take counciling and it can help them. However, attaching a stygma to the condition will only stop them from seaking help, which will make it more likely that people will attempt to supress their feelings themselfs, which does not make for stable inderviduals.

    Most pedophiles (and you may want to read these stats for who I am talking about) never harm a child, and never even act on their impulses. Those who do are normaly situational offenders, the equivilant of a criminal who happens upon an empty house. A child is an easy target for them, so they take it.

    The preference is not the problem. The actions are. Making that line clear is an important step to focus efforts against child abuse rather than people who simply have a (disturbingly common) 'preference' as some would call it.

  • Spedley

    Spedley

    #5891141 - 12 years ago

    In reply to pal_sch, #16:

    So society should take into account their supposed inability to control their urges. Does this logic hold true for Sociopaths/Serial Killers? We should just help them understand their feelings and send them back out into the world?

    A criminal who takes the easy target is just as much a criminal who doesn't. A criminal who takes the easy target when that target is a child needs to have serious consequences from the action. Explaining their "preferences" as a reason for their action is simply retarded.

  • pal_sch

    pal_sch

    #5891335 - 12 years ago

    In reply to Spedley, #17:

    They normaly can control their urges. Those that have problems can be helped with counciling. Not cured, but helped to control at least.

    Forcing them to fight it alone will only make it more likely that they will lose control. A stygma means that fewer will come forwards for help even if they know they need it.

    I'm not saying abusers should be released back into society that easily. Obviously not, and I have issues with the way the system handels such things now. However, for those who have committed no abuse, but have to live with the feeling that they are a pedophile every day, should be able to come forwards for help, not condemnation for doing nothing but being born.

    A person who has fantasies about crime is not a criminal till they rob someone. A person who has fantasies about children is not an abuser till they abuse someone.

  • JohnLethal

    JohnLethal

    #5892233 - 12 years ago

    In reply to Kittiegirl92, #8:

    Alright, no more posting for you until your ribs aren't showing anymore.

    Post edited 11/13/06 8:23PM

  • NaraVara

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    #5896103 - 12 years ago

    So society should take into account their supposed inability to control their urges. Does this logic hold true for Sociopaths/Serial Killers?

    Actually, it does. That's why the criminally insane get their own special prisons.

  • ShutUpCloud

    ShutUpCloud

    #5896160 - 12 years ago

    Raising children to believe sexuality is wrong and immoral is what causes perversities in the first place.

    Burn down the catholic church and the pedophilic priests will stop molesting your children.

  • ShutUpCloud

    ShutUpCloud

    #5896184 - 12 years ago

    In reply to Spedley, #17:

    In reply to pal_sch, #16:

    So society should take into account their supposed inability to control their urges. Does this logic hold true for Sociopaths/Serial Killers? We should just help them understand their feelings and send them back out into the world?

    Having an impulse and acting upon it are two clearly different things. Black and white.

    Just because I want to light your baby on fire doesn't mean I'm going to actually do it. (Though Seth Putnam might...)

  • Spedley

    Spedley

    #5903343 - 12 years ago

    In reply to pal_sch, #18; Pavan, #20; shutupcloud, #21

    I don't disagree with much of what each of you are saying. My point is simply this:

    As humans, we all have urges to do all sorts of strange things. Part of being a member of a society is to not act on those things that you desire to do, just because YOU want to do them.

    If you want to touch little boys or girls, common sense should tell you, "No". If for some obscure reason that doesn't work, a serious stigma (aka. Peer Pressure) from society can act as common sense. IF the stigma is removed from society then the only way to enforce rules is through punishment. The less stigma the more intense the punishment.

    Yes, some fringe fanatical groups will want to use society to create stigma's that are a little over the top. Northern California and their idea that there should be NO power plants or factories on Earth is a bit much. The Religious Right and touching yourself will make you go blind. Does anyone really pay any attention to these people any way?

    IF you are a pedophile and you are considering going after a child maybe the shame and humiliation will make you think twice. Then again, this is always a good reminder too. In a place where society is at it's very root, the lowest even think you are crap.
    There is no way to remove the stigma of some crimes unless you excuse them and make them exceptable. There are some things that should never be approved of by society.

  • NaraVara

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    #5903473 - 12 years ago

    There is no way to remove the stigma of some crimes unless you excuse them and make them exceptable.

    The problem is he's not talking about a stigma behind a crime. He's talking about a stigma for a psychological condition that will actually lead to more of the crime being committed.

    Alcoholism is an example. There is a negative stigma attached to it, but people aren't going to think you're scum for being an alcoholic unless you make an ass of yourself when you drink (beating your wife, etc.)
    Similarly, people should hate you for having pedophilic urges unless you allow those urges to influence your behavior in a negative way.
    It's hard enough for people to accept that they have a problem when society isn't going to ostracize them for it. Pedophiles, need to get help before they hurt people, just like alcoholics. You can't treat them like scum until they actually do something bad.

  • Spedley

    Spedley

    #5903575 - 12 years ago

    In reply to Pavan, #24:

    I fully agree with you. Really I do. I just can not picture a method or system that would work much the same way it does with alcoholism. With alcoholism, society simply acknowledged the problem of addiction and treated that problem and agreed that you were basically a good person.
    Does society go back to the days of drilling into peoples skulls to remove the "bad" portion? The stigma is the only thing society has when it comes to conditions of "urges" less acknowledging that you have a problem, let us hospitalize you and remove it. Remember the days of forced sterilization and such for people "less fortunate".

    Tell you guys what. You are all a hell of a lot smarter then I. Come up with a plan and I’ll back you. Until then I say Society Peer Pressure is the way to go.
    Stigma’s against touching yourself and being Gay is one thing and I agree that they have no place in society, BUT removing stigmas against urges to hurt other people need to stick around. Otherwise, society determines that you need your brain scrambled OR people have to impose crazy penalties like the Death Sentence for jay walking.

  • NaraVara

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    #5903593 - 12 years ago

    Does society go back to the days of drilling into peoples skulls to remove the "bad" portion? The stigma is the only thing society has when it comes to conditions of "urges" less acknowledging that you have a problem, let us hospitalize you and remove it. Remember the days of forced sterilization and such for people "less fortunate".

    But you're logic is going to end up with a vicious circle here.
    You have these stigmas against pedophilic urges to prevent pedophiles from acting on them.

    But because of the stigma they won't get help and will, eventually, succumb to temptation and act on them.

    Then because of the stigma they're going to suffer harsh punishments like castration or public humiliation for what they did as a result of not seeking help when they had the chance.


    With sufficient treatment you can get people to suppress their urges. Voluntary castration is not out of the question either. You don't need ECT or lobotomies to do it. All you need is to have an environment where people can admit they have a problem so that they won't end up acting on the problem.