In reply to 7evy Prey Marker sounds simple and cool enouth.
Original Semblance Ideas
#33749940 - 5 days ago
Anyway... I don't remember the Semblance I was going to put up because I didn't write it down, but I did come up with a more substantial Magic vs. Semblance theory based on new information we've been given.
So Magic consists of Choice, Creation, Destruction, and Knowledge as well as the Elements, as seen by the four orbs surrounded by swirling, different colored lights when used by Salem. This means (to me) that Semblances have five huge limits to them when put up against Magic.
Choice: The user cannot assume complete control over another being, this includes forcibly changing their mind or control their actions.
- The user can manipulate perception and trick people into making a choice.
Creation: The user cannot create constructs, matter, etc. out of nothing. This includes physically transforming/altering the user's body. This also applies to creating life out of nothing.
- The user can "create" structures made of their own Aura.
Destruction: The user cannot destroy absolutely. They cannot outright cause death, and they cannot destroy matter.
- The user can use a Semblance to inflict damage or destroy as a "side effect". (You can make a knife but you can't destroy your target without it.)
Knowledge: The user cannot see into the future, Period. This is also a limit of Magic (at least for the lamp). The user cannot attain knowledge of a subject without reason.
- The user can take in information presented and predict or infer using clues given to the user.
Elements: The user cannot create (possibly control) Elements/Elemental substances out of nothing.
- The user can manipulate Elements that are present naturally or via Dust.
Does this hold up?
#33749993 - 5 days ago
In reply to AnimeAnnemarie some of it seems pretty legit. But I still don't think its right. Defiantly worth a discussion thought
Also I figured out why episode ten wasn't up for me. Its because I'm an idiot who forgot to reload the web page. If you need me I'll be hiding in that dark corner over there.
#33750063 - 4 days ago
I mean, it's a theory (more like a hypothesis but there's no way to test it; I digress). I've been trying to figure out what the limits are on Semblances and what makes people so shocked when feats of Magic occur when people can create impossible feats by our standards already.
And like I said, Creation, Destruction, Knowledge, Choice, and Elemental are all things you see Jinn showing us when she describes Magic.
What does all of Magic have in common? Those five traits.
What do all Semblances have in common? Some sort of manipulation, but never those five traits or at least only a manipulation of something similar.
Again, that is my theory based on observations and inferences from what I've seen. I'm not saying it's absolute, but creating a fine line between Magic and Semblances is something that I feel like should be taken into account when creating Semblances.
#33750121 - 4 days ago
In reply to Horus1122 When has anyone created life using a Semblance, or a physical construct that isn't made of Aura in the show? And when has anyone created an element with their Semblance during the show that wasn't due to Dust? The closest thing I can think of is Neo's Semblance but I stand by that being an Aura construct since it's so fragile and breaks when her Semblance is broken or she dispels it. So she doesn't create anything physical that lasts longer than her Semblance...
And sure the exact limitations of these, like knowledge, are shaky but I really do think this is a solid theory right now. Maybe Creation is "A creation of an object or being that persists after the user's Aura is no longer powering it" something along those lines.
It also matches with "A Semblance of what they once were" - God of Light S6E3
So Semblances could possibly be interpreted as a 'Semblance of Magic' which also goes with the fact that they can only manipulate these forces and not create them, and only one "power" at a time.
My point is, there is a trivial answer: "Magic is a power that does not require Aura and is a gift from the God brothers." But this is pointless because you can't tell if Aura is being used or not, so why do people freak out when feats of magic appear?
Sorry for my long winded rant/explanations but I'm genuinely curious if anyone else has thought of this.
#33750318 - 2 days ago
In reply to RlyehianBuddha okay first of the schnee summoning involves defeating a foe before you can summon it. Its a semblance of life and as far as we know it acts just like the original but following the schnee's command instead of well Salem I guess( or stopping them from doing their natural instinct). Also episode 1 Glynda makes a storm of hail out of nothing, without the usage dust as far as we know. And my next one is kinda a long shoot but qrows semblance makes bad luck. That kinda sounds like an element of nature right their or at the very least an element out of human control.
Also completely irrelevant to the conversation but mercury's father had the ability to steal fucking semblance! Does no one else want to talk about that at all. I mean that's fucking huge isn't it!
#33750510 - 1 day ago
In reply to Horus1122 Schnee Summoning defeats a foe and then turns it to her side. That's not life, that's a construct that is controlled by Weiss. Even if they did have life, it just rebuilds it. That's not "Creation" that's repurposing.
Glynda creating a "Storm of Hail" comes from her weapon, the same as Weiss being able to use elements using Myrtenaster. This is neither a Semblance nor Magic. The same goes for her shield. It's also used as a focus for her Semblance since I'm sure just using "Telekinesis" without a focus is really unstable or hard to focus. (Like Kadabra's spoon).
The ability to "manipulate" fate still falls into line with my theory. It's not a forced change of someone's choices. It makes things happen around him by passively radiating "bad luck". It can be focused, but it is still just a manipulation of forces using a Semblance, just as "Creating" a portal like Raven is just spacial manipulation.
Also, to back up this: Cinder used Arrows to cause her explosions using dust. The moment she gained the ability to use magic, she made explosions from Magic rather than dust, probably because it was the most familiar attack she could manage using Magic at such short notice.
And yes, the ability to steal a Semblance officially puts Semblance altering abilities on the table and it sounds extremely OP.
#33750533 - 1 day ago
In reply to RlyehianBuddha okay to qrows semblances I conceded. You do make a good point. But for the schnee summon semblance you and I have different viewpoint's on that I always view them similar to AI's like Cortana, Vision, or AIA from green lantern animated. In the end I guess that more of a coming down to what's life situation there so
#33750535 - 1 day ago
In reply to RlyehianBuddha okay to qrows semblances I conceded. You do make a good point. But for the schnee summon semblance you and I have different viewpoint's on that I always view them similar to AI's like Cortana, Vision, or AIA from green lantern animated. In the end I guess that more of a coming down to what's life situation there so ? I'll come back to you on that. And Glynda's weapon making that Hail storm no don't see it dude everyone's weapon that has or has had dust used in it shows how and where it was put and used. When you look at Glynda's weapon you don't see any sign of dust being used anywhere.
Also totally irrelevant again have we discovered Cinder's semblance or did I just not know this whole time.
Thank you that's what I've been saying. I can't help but wonder what kind of altering can someone do to a semblance. Can they just make it useless against someone or can the change where it's affected. Possibilities are endless with this new info
#33750637 - 14 hours ago
In reply to AnimeAnnemarie Doubting is fine. I'm just trying to discuss where my theory is wrong and I felt like this was a good place to see if it held water.
In reply to Horus1122 First, Why would her Semblance of "Telekinesis" allow her to cast ice? It doesn't make sense unless she is using her crop and by extension, Dust. Blake can use Dust with her Semblance to make an effect and when it's in her weapon it can't be seen; so Glynda probably has A set of Dust in her crop: "Toss Dust in the air using Semblance; form ice from Dust; Use Semblance to call it down." Unless Oz happened to impart some magic onto her for some reason, we don't really know a lot about her and she hasn't been seen since season 3. (Which is a shame)
Second, Weiss controls those things. It doesn't take much but I'm assuming those things are either fully controlled via some sort of connection between them (Like during the Queen Lancer fight) or they act as a shadow of what they would do if under her control. Plus this still isn't life even if they are "AI-like". They would still "die" once her Aura is dispelled. That isn't life, that's a mindless familiar that protects and obeys. My point standing from before, "if it can't stand alone by itself without the supplying of Aura it is not Creation Magic."
And before this turns into an argument about what defines life, I'm going stop it there because it doesn't need to go that deep.
And no, we don't know what Cinder's Semblance is officially. We just know she uses Dust a lot and then Magic when she gets the Fall Maiden's powers. I don't even know if she has one, or if it's when she makes those glass/obsidian-like objects out of literal cinders.