In reply to EmperorLuffy
No that isnt proving your point its outlining that is you saying this and then explaining why I dont think you are correct aka a rebuttal.
You keep saying no this theme that isnt used by anyone in the show overrides everything else shown by the show. Things shown by the show that flat out go against what you are saying.
That is what you have been doing and when I have been saying no you are wrong and give reasons for it you ignored it. Its very obvious what you have been doing.
It has not been any form or shape of me just saying it I have given reasons you just dont like them is all.
No Ozma isnt the exception he and salem are the only one this applies to and in reality it doesnt even apply to them as both are actively trying to kill the other.
There currently is no way for anyone to be brought back. They have hinted there might be something out there via Raven but so far there isnt.
So everyone has to accept death as unlike Salem there is no gods to revive people on the world.
No it is your theme you took Salem's punishment and spread to everyone and act like its always been there when it hasnt.
There has been a lot of death in RWBY.
Vol 2 we had the whitefang being killed from the train as well as hinted at civilians being killed.
Vol 3 the guards who got overrun by grimm, Civilians during the battle, Amber, Ozpin, And Pyrrha
Vol 4 The Huntsman in the village, the village, ren's parents, Ren's village
Vol 5 Pilot Boi, Vernal, All the Huntsman
Vol 6 the one Huntsman off the train, All the guards Adam Killed, the victims of the Apathy, Croc and her goons, Ozma and all of humanity, Adam.
All these people died and yet outside of Salem in regards to Ozma no one acts like they cant move on they cant accept the death. Yeah they are torn up and hurting over it such as Jaune but they arent denying them or acting likes its not normal.
So the Theme you argue is 100% not be supported by the show.
Its not like Mistakes where we keep seeing people make mistakes such as Yang with her arm, Blake with her beliefs and so forth where they make a mistake and then learn from it and try not to repeat it.
Mistakes are an actual thematic argument because it is one repeated over and over again in the show.
Until the gods brought it up no one was bringing up denying death in the show.
Not a single person not even Jaune who clearly wished he was the one that died and not Pyrrha.
A theme which you dont understand is one that is not presented once and never repeated like your argument with Salem actually is but instead is one all the characters run into.
A good example is this is Rise of the shield hero where all the Heroes are ignorant. Bow Sword and spear are ignorant about how the world really is thinking its a game world and treating it like it is. Shield is Ignorant of the game world and ignorant that some people can be trusted and others cant be. Its a theme that reaching out and trying to learn and understand is the real way to go in Rise of the shield hero.
Or let us take Goblin Slayer which the theme is you can fight what you hate or fear without submitting to it and becoming it. Slayer is well aware he is like a goblin and often compares himself to them. His friends help him stop being so destructive to himself and relearn what it means to be human which in turn lets him help others that have been harmed like he has to stop them from destroying themselves while also protecting the innocent.
Those are themes because it keeps repeating the message in different ways sure but the core message remains.
Salem is not the protagonist she is the antagonist which her failures and the problems do set the motion of the story in play but something you are not getting is the Antagonist's reasons do not shape the story. Her thing with the gods is part of her Motivation not her theme.
Her theme is not accepting death as part of the natural cycle but arrogance that she can dictate what IS the natural cycle
Keep in mind this is not Salem's story never has been its always been Ruby Rose's story and she IS the Protagonist.
Many stories also have it where the antagonist is not fully wrong either that their quest and motivations are actually fully justified but they went too far.
For Salem this is such a case. She was grieving and not thinking clearly when she went to the gods. She went too far and got punished for it but the gods were cruel and vicious with their punishment. aka they made a mistake.
That is the real theme through out all of this people even gods can make mistakes Salem and the gods are running away from their mistakes denying they did them or not realizing it was a mistake. With Salem we also have the issue the grimm pool may be poisoning her mind as it clearly changed her body.
But the theme is not accepting death as a natural part of the cycle of life. There has been a lot of death and outside of Salem none of the cast has tried to undo the deaths. They hate they happen wish they never died sure but they dont ever act like they can just find a miracle and fix it like salem did.
Add in Salem clearly wants to KILL Ozpin who was the one she denied death over. So clearly already that theme just on the basic understanding of the show is sunk.
And your OWN evidence actually shows this by the Way. Keep in mind you stated Accepting Death as a natural part of Life is the overreaching theme aka a Major theme.
A major theme is an idea that a writer repeats in his literary work, making it the most significant idea in the work.
From your source by the by.
Accepting death has not been presented in 5 volumes nor has it at all been presented as the most significant idea as no one really has the issue of accepting death as no one acts like they can fix the death or didnt happen.
It has only been attached to one person Salem. its not even attached to Ozpin as Ozpin's deal with the god of light doesnt involve that at all.
You can argue that its a MINOR THEME for Salem and her alone as it was her unable to accept death that started this but even that runs into the issue the person she couldnt accept death for she clearly wants to kill and HAS killed before he jsut doesnt stay dead.
If you want to argue accepting death as a natural part of the cycle of life in regards to Salem is a theme I would have no real issue with that. Its when you apply it to the rest of the cast who this theme clearly does not apply to that you run into issues.
Now if it does turn out to be true that there is revival outside of the gods and RWBY JNPR are given a choice I imagine there will be conflict over it questioning if they should or not. It would be a Minor theme which Salem's story feeds into as both RWBY and JNPR are aware of her story but unless the process can be repeated a lot such as with dragon balls for example then it cant become a Major theme. But its also possible they may not have a choice and someone else does it and they just have to deal with the issues from it.
Such as Pyrrha coming back via Salem as an enemy for example.
But that wont relate to a theme of accepting death which is not present in RWBY.