In reply to trevordylan
Well I mostly follow "Pyrrha Nikos general discussion" and "V6 wants and theories" but there are even more larger threads !
In reply to WrightKnight
Haha classic WrightKnight reaction here ! Is it to understand that you would have enjoyed the entire script only with a different ending ? I know how sensitive of a subject this character has been for you.
Here, it is all about forgiveness but this notion does not have universal boundaries.
I 99% agree with your view on Cinder because based on what the show gave us about her (BOTH backstory and actions), I think it is almost impossible (I said almost) to defend this idea she could be forgiven at some point.
BUT, and this is something that still upsets me, we have been given almost no backstory on Cinder just vague and stereotyped phrases like "I want to be strong/feared/powerful" (I guess when speaking to Salem)... If this is all the backstory we are supposed to have on Cinder, then 1) I think it is a waste 2) I wish the CRWBY made it clearer before and 3) there is no way I could forgive her. But because of this lack of backstory, Cinder's case is still not closed for me in terms of forgiveness.
It is because I'm someone who still needs to know BOTH backstory and actions when faced with this question. But I have already seen in real life how others would only forgive based on the actions of a specific person and even sometimes just like that ! I still can't buy it but I'm trying to understand. "Strength in forgiveness" as Ghira said about Blake is a concept I'm personally still exploring.
This is why I find very interesting what they did with their script, they chose Blake but most importantly Jaune to be the ones forgiving Cinder... It weighs a lot ! Blake ? We already saw her forgive Ilia (at this point, it was based on both backstory and actions as Blake obviously knew enough about this for Ilia so I was on board !) but here it seems Blake is still forgiving without even considering Cinder's past... It makes sense at first sight because that's Blake but to make complete sense this would require more previous character developpment for me. And Jaune ? This is even more interesting because of his Pyrrha's loss due to Cinder. I think there is a reason why they did that little scene between Jaune and Neo ; it gave Jaune material to think about his loss...
Now to reach a point of forgiving Cinder within the very same "episode" ? Unlikely if you want my opinion (as well as Neo changing her mind so fast at the beginning) but I like the idea and hell, it was only one script.
Bottom line is that the idea of forgiveness is at the core of their script in my opinion and they could very well continue their writing by exploring it (previous events I would say). They depicted it in a certain way that I find very interesting. I never said that I agreed with what they did but only that I appreciated it as it resonates with some questions and personal reflexions I have (besides still being a possible scenario for me considering the real show).
Now to be honest, even if the CRWBY eventually gives us a full backstory on Cinder, chances are quite low it would change my current mind about her. But I would be very interested to see how some characters would then react ; some may say "The hell with you Cinder, you are and always have been nothing more than a monster, there is no way I can forgive you, just burn in hell !" and others could say "I reconsidered my judgement and forgive you". This could even raise some tensions between some characters !
It is not because I treat forgiveness in a certain way that I expect all the characters to do the same. On the contrary, the more various behavior the show provides, the richer it can be. For some questions, I can say that I agree or disagree with the show. For others (so forgiveness), I can't because I still lack a definitive position/judgement and I'm open to anything that would provide me some material to help me set my mind about it.