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    • The Unsatisfying ends to certain characters.

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      I've wanted to talk about something that's bothered me for a while. There's a criticism that I have that also applies to RWBY but mostly RVB at the moment. I feel that most of the time a character is killed off, I feel really unsatisfied. It just feels like RT has a habit of prematurely killing characters off. As in it felt like their story wasn't over yet. I mainly feel this way about Agent Maine, but I'll get to him later. 

      Some good examples I have of a characters end: Firstly is Epsilon. I was upset by his end but I understood and was fine with it. It felt like his story had been told, though part of me wanted something kind of closure with how he really messed up Washington but I'm not too bothered by it. He saved his friends in the end and I felt that it was a good end with him. Next is Dr Leonard Church (the director) His death, while sudden really wrapped up his story. We got to understand him and see him at his lowest point, and Carolina and Epsilon got their closure.

      Bad examples of a characters end: The Alpha. I know you can argue that Epsilon kinda took over his story and are basically the same character but I disagree. I always saw them as two different characters. What I really don't like about how his story ended is that it ended so soon after it felt like it had just begun. The reveal of Church being the Alpha was amazing I loved it, but then there was the whole EMP thing. It was so sudden! I was really looking forward to what was to come for the Alpha but then he died. I didn't like that at all. This next one is probably going to be pretty unpopular but I was also pretty disappointed by South's death. Especially after Project Freelancer where I really got invested in her character. But she died so we could see Wash's more ruthless side. I didn't like that. There are a few more I was disappointed with like Sharkface and the Counselor, but I don't want to waste time. I'm sure you get my point, even if you disagree.

      Agent Maine: Alright this is the major one. I hate how he died. It was just when I was beginning to get interested in his character as well as it was shortly after he turned on Wash and I was intrigued by Wash's words. "I knew you would do this, Meta, but I can't believe... I just can't believe... I can't believe it" Wash seemed emotional and it seemed to me that it was implying their past. That was when I grew more curious about the man he was, before he became the Meta. What I really hate about his death is that I didn't think for a second he was dead. It never occurred to me that he might be dead until the Chorus trilogy. I was anticipating an emotional encounter between him and Carolina as there was their past of her giving him her AI with the intentions of helping him but it ruined him. There's that guilt she feels for what happened to him. So I was incredibly disappointed when I realized it probably won't ever happen. What really frustrates me is that it doesn't feel like he's dead because at the time of his death it didn't seem like he died. But I know he's dead so there's a real lack of closure that I'm feeling with his character.

      Don't get me wrong guys, I love RVB, but I just really wanted to make this criticism and I hope things get better and that RT resolves characters stories in a more satisfying way. Feel free to share your thoughts and whether you agree or disagree.

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    • Oscar doesn't have a choice! (Discussion about Ozpin and Oscar)

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      This my first time creating a discussion here but this something I REALLY wanted to discuss and see people's thoughts on.

      Ozpin's actions that certain people disapprove of is often justified (either by Ozpin or other characters defending him) by saying that they had a choice. Ozpin seems to use people for his cause like pieces on a chessboard. Trying to turn Pyrrha into a Maiden, turning Qrow and Raven into birds, and sacrificing Hazel's sister. All are justified by saying they had a choice. Even Ozpin himself says "Everyone has a choice" But I don't think that's true. Not everyone has a choice. Obviously I'm talking about Oscar. When Oscar first discovers that he's sharing his body with Ozpin, he had no say in the matter. Not even in leaving his home and life behind. Ozpin doesn't suggest or ask Oscar to leave. He used the words "We have to leave" he told him to leave and he kept pushing until Oscar finally gave in. At some point in volume 5, Ozpin tells everyone if they want to leave, they may do so. In my opinion that offer doesn't exactly apply to Oscar. And then finally in the battle with Hazel, Ozpin forcibly took control of Oscar's body when he wouldn't give it up. You can argue that Ozpin saved Oscar, that he would've died otherwise, but even so Ozpin forcibly took control. He took away Oscar's right to choose. Not only is it a huge red flag, it throws Ozpin's "everyone has a choice" argument out the window! Ozpin seems fully ready to use people for his cause. Just like Salem. We just haven't seen him cast them aside yet.

      I really hope that this is brought up in the show at some point, because I really think it should be mentioned. Anyway, please share your thoughts! Whether you agree or disagree, I'm excited to see what people think. :)

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